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Here's why ocean shipping companies are switching to natural gas
Fortune ^ | JULY 23, 2015 | David Z. Morris

Posted on 07/23/2015 10:04:02 AM PDT by thackney

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1 posted on 07/23/2015 10:04:02 AM PDT by thackney
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To: thackney

Bye Bye Bunker Charlie...


2 posted on 07/23/2015 10:09:46 AM PDT by null and void (If the government can't protect the Marines, how can we expect it to protect us?)
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Just wondering what the difference is in energy vs oil. We discovered if we ran our standby generator on propane, we’d loose about 500 watts (5500kw total) so we stayed with gasoline. Not sure, but if the ship’s engine is designed to run on LNG ...


3 posted on 07/23/2015 10:09:49 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Help Me Dad" Kathryn Steinle shot and killed by a five-time deported illegal.)
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These ships engines are designed to run on Nat Gas. It is not taking a fuel oil engine and converting it.

It is a more expensive engine, typically.


4 posted on 07/23/2015 10:11:20 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SkyDancer

You just need to increase he volume of fuel getting to the engine to make up for the loss of energy. I converted ours to natural gas and as long as you get to the recommended RPMs you should get the same wattage.

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5 posted on 07/23/2015 10:15:18 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: SkyDancer

That sounds like programming. The engine should increase fuel and air intake automatically when rpm dips from increased power usage.


6 posted on 07/23/2015 10:19:17 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: Lurker

I was talking propane. Sorry I didn’t make that clear. There’s a decided power drop in power output when using propane as the generator instruction book points out.


7 posted on 07/23/2015 10:22:23 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Help Me Dad" Kathryn Steinle shot and killed by a five-time deported illegal.)
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“Peuget Sound Energy “

Don’t they make cars, too?


8 posted on 07/23/2015 10:23:12 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: barmag25

The instruction book clearly states that a power drop of 500watts will occur if using propane. Sorry I didn’t make that clear.


9 posted on 07/23/2015 10:23:19 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Help Me Dad" Kathryn Steinle shot and killed by a five-time deported illegal.)
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To: thackney

Okay - so I guess LNG has more power than propane (which I forgot to mention).


10 posted on 07/23/2015 10:24:16 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Help Me Dad" Kathryn Steinle shot and killed by a five-time deported illegal.)
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5500kw is a large drop. That’s enough power to run most ships.


11 posted on 07/23/2015 10:24:17 AM PDT by barmag25
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No, a 500watt drop from a 5500watt generator.


12 posted on 07/23/2015 10:25:04 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Help Me Dad" Kathryn Steinle shot and killed by a five-time deported illegal.)
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They should coat ships with this stuff.................

http://www.livescience.com/49515-water-repellent-material.html


13 posted on 07/23/2015 10:25:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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To: SkyDancer

Ok. I misunderstood.


14 posted on 07/23/2015 10:27:38 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: SkyDancer

500w drop is still not terrible unless you only have one aux. generator


15 posted on 07/23/2015 10:29:51 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: thackney

12,000 to 31000 deaths a year linked to maritime pollution???

I call bs on this


16 posted on 07/23/2015 10:35:50 AM PDT by barmag25
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I know it isn’t but it does create inefficiency in total power. Our total power usage at the house is around 50 amps if everything is running (except the on-demand water heater and pump) - the generator just supplies the fridge, some lights, TV, computers and the water pump (we live up a logging road in the mountains).


17 posted on 07/23/2015 10:37:16 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Help Me Dad" Kathryn Steinle shot and killed by a five-time deported illegal.)
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To: SkyDancer

Sorry. Didn’t mean to give you bad information.


18 posted on 07/23/2015 10:41:42 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: SkyDancer

Propane is liquefied under reasonable pressure, 50~250 psi depending on temperature.

LNG requires great cooling to liquefy, -260°F.

Both are burned in the gas state; they have to be vaporized for use.

So comparisons can be a little misleading, unless you are only concerned with storage space.

One gallon diesel = 139,000 Btu

One gallon gasoline = 125,000 Btu

One gallon LPG (propane) = 91,000 Btu

One gallon LNG = 82,650 Btu

However LNG weighs less.

1 gallon LNG = 3.5 lbs

1 gallon LPG = 4.2 lbs

so you get more energy per pound with LNG

LNG = 21,700 BTU/lb

LPG = 23,600 BTU/lb


19 posted on 07/23/2015 10:49:45 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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A better question, what companies are producing LNG and how can I invest.


20 posted on 07/23/2015 10:50:27 AM PDT by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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