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Posted on 07/21/2015 9:50:36 PM PDT by Dallas59
if a cop or crossing guard asks me to pick my nose, is that a lawful order?
That’s not quite the same situation...is it.
The driver flat out refused to produce her drivers license and accept the ticket.
That is good. I think that is an appropriate action.
I don’t blame the family for wanting an independent autopsy. Hopefully that will answer questions for everyone.
HA!
Yeah but they’re getting a bit funny of late.
Last year I was headed out to my mothers place to help her with some yard work. Anyhow, there had been some road construction and things were a bit different since I last traveled that road.
Woooop! I was speeding but hadn’t even determined what the speed limit was at the time I was nailed. Three different signs—anyhow that’s off point.
He was real nosy, it was 8am? 9am?, I have an very clean Oldsmobile, not a hotrod and not a junker. I suppose I wasn’t dressed to the nines—I was dressed for yard work.
He wanted to know where I was coming from, where I was going. He was very young, too. He really made me uncomfortable, I don’t think a policeman has made me nervous since I was a teen but he sure did. It was a darn interrogation!
I don’t have any stickers on my car—I like a clean car. I had no tickets, I certainly have no warrants. I was going to help my mom for gosh sakes!
I’ve had less trouble going onto base at odd hours. He acted as if I was going through some check point. I stopped at the next picnic area and had to call my mom and get over my jitters. It truly unnerved me.
He wasn’t like police that I recall from the past. Watching this policeman on video makes me think it’s the new normal.
By the time the paperwork is filled out, you might as well go see the judge or post the bond.
My opening question is usually "What can I do for you officer?", at which point I find out what the alleged problem is.
If I'm in the wrong, I take my lumps--no flack.
If not, I will calmly disagree and explain why.
I had an officer mention an alleged seat belt violation to me. The vehicle I was driving was significantly taller than the police car and did not come from the factory with shoulder restraints.
I simply mentioned there was no way for him to ascertain from the cruiser whether or not I had my seat belt on while driving, and that I released it when I pulled over. He conceded that point and wrote me a fix-it ticket over an equipment problem--which I thanked him for (I had been unaware of the malfunctioning brake light). We had a pleasant chat, devoid of profanity. I replaced the bulb for the malfunctioning light at the next gas station.
You have to know the traffic code for the area you drive in, and I very seldom get pulled over.
So, sport, by your all-encompassing laws, if he told her to choke herself and stop breathing, A-OK?
Oops, there is that nasty little "lawful" catch to the statute. You must hate that, eh?
I am sure the police union is working overtime to come up with a "lawful" reason to demand she stop smoking............
I spent a lot of time in Austin, I have a son who is a cop, (I LOVE cops) and if I was the cop in this situation—well, actually, I wouldn’t have even been in THIS situation.
WTF kind of nitpickin’, stupid, ridiculous country are we becoming, anyhow? We waste our time with cr*p like this...when the illegals are pouring over the border and driving on our roads and killing people and we are dragging a woman out of her car for not using her blinker when changing lanes on a road with little traffic anyhow.
That woman was right-—what a worthless, stupid thing to do with taxpayer money.
When he stopped her he should have just told her he was giving her a warning IMMEDIATELY-—so it would have defused the indignant response. I would have been disgusted for being pulled over for the same issue. I would not have acted like this women now (with my more mature age) but if I was in my 20s or 30s, I probably would have been more angry than this woman, and rightly so.
We have given up WAY too much freedom to agencies which make thousands of rules and regulations to turn us into criminals for petty reasons......and it is evil.
Tsk tsk-—I know the importance of signals, but I don’t trust cars to use them anyhow, and I have never had an accident because of it, although many cars have pulled in front of me without using them........I drove in CA bay area for decades.
Be a defensive driver-—my father’s #1 rule on the road....”don’t trust anyone”. My father was extremely wise in many ways.
I vote that the cop had NO social skills whatsoever-—and was out of line in telling this woman to put out her cigarette and to get out of the car——that was abuse of power and antagonistic to the core. Asking how she ‘felt” was REALLY dumb and trying to escalate the situation.....why didn’t he just tell her IMMEDIATELY that he was sorry to stop her but just wanted to warn her that it was wise to use a blinker when changing lanes.
Just a waste of life—again. Waste of time. Waste of taxpayer money-—Waste of cop time, Creation of a more fascist, hateful nanny state.....it is just SO unAmerican and evil and reducing us to inhumane bots and cops into little Stasi bots for people to hate.
Another cop on a power trip who abuses his power the moment a citizen doesn’t lick his boots.
The driver was an idiot, no doubt. All the cop had to do was issue the ticket. There is no obligation for her to sign the ticket. She is still served and she has to pay the ticket or suffer the consequences.
The cop went power mad when the idiot driver wouldn’t submit to his demand that she put the cigarette out. He had no problem with her smoking until she back-talked him. Then out of the blue, he gives an unreasonable “order” to “put the cigarette out”. By what right? Because he can tell you to strip naked and jerk off in public and you can’t say shit because it is a “legal order” until some judge decides it is not?
Then when she exerted her right not to put out her cigarette, he went straight to DefCon 5.
This incident is 100% on the power mad cop. 100%. I assume cops are trained to deal with belligerent people who are NOT A VIOLENT THREAT to them. She was not a violent threat. Just a sassy driver with a chip on her shoulder.
The power mad cop blew it. The old “Do whatever I tell you to do, just because I told you to do it because I am the Law and you WILL SUBMIT TO MY COMMANDS no matter what.”
When did cops go down the drain?
Don’t make your lawyer’s job harder than it has to be - unless you are Black, stopped by a Caucasian policeman in a small Texas town, your family is from Chicago and you know that you can get all the activists, the FBI and the DC Justice Department involved.
Sorry that she chose to end her life but I’m so tired of hearing about Sandra Bland 24-7 on our local news. Going to be a long, hot summer.
Well of course you fight it in court...that doesnt negate his actions...does it.
If a cop ordered me to put out a cigarette in my own vehicle I’d laugh and think he was joking.
I mean who does that?
If the cop started acting like a wierd power tripper then, I would have requested a supervisor to clear things up.(have done it) or I’d wait and have my attorney file a complaint later instead of trying the amature roadside lawyer crap.
Not really. It went bad after he asked if she was alright and she said how she was unhappy about being stopped. His attitude saying something like are you done now was terrible and of course she told him it was.
Rather than a mea culpa on his part, he escalated. Really now that we are getting cameras on more and more cops, the chief of police and the each cops immediate supervisors should be required to randomly sample stops to see how well these people are treating the public that pays their salary and grants them their authority.
Like i said upthread, some cops are a-holes, just like
i wanted to wring the neck of the lady at the dry cleaners ... the clerk at the post office.
Yeah, I know it’s creepy knowing they have a gun and all of the power at a police stop.
That’s why i want to make my police stop as short as possible.
My last stop was two years ago. I drive a sports car and, like most owners don’t have a front plate. He pulled me over and stood way back from the drivers side door. I do not hear out of my left ear so i kept jerking my body around to hear him.
He asked for the usual stuff, the day was HOT ,,, very HOT. He wanted my engine off. I asked to step out of the sweltering car. He said, “no”.
I sat and sat and sat. I was miserable. But he came back and let me go.
Yeah, sometimes they irritate me. Make it short.
A lit cigarette can be used as a weapon.
You can jam a lit cigarette into a person’s eye.
You can flick a lit cigarette into a person’s eye.
You can press a lit cigarette into any area of exposed skin and cause injury.
Do you think it’s possible that the officer perceived a threat from a person admittedly angry with him and holding a lit cigarette?
I have seen your badge licking posts before, but this takes the cake.
Most cops today are nothing like the cops we grew up with....I knew them by name and they knew who I was...got caught drinking beer (underage) behind the school more times than I could count...
“you boys know you arent allowed to be here after dark, or drinking, put that beer in the trash can and you better be gone when we come back in 15 minutes”
“Yes sir”
They would pull out....we would grab our beer and go someplace else.....but they also knew we were harmless teens just having fun....not a major crime wave.
Hell I remember a time when I was a kid the cops dropped off my grandfather drunk WITH his car.
You can jam a lit cigarette into a person’s eye.
You can flick a lit cigarette into a person’s eye.
You can press a lit cigarette into any area of exposed skin and cause injury.
Do you think it’s possible that the officer perceived a threat from a person admittedly angry with him and holding a lit cigarette?
Seriously?...what kind of pussy are you?
Yeah, thank heavens they can’t hear the thoughts going through our heads.
Why does the SOB need to know where I was coming from and going to at 9am in the morning?
It’s not like I was creeping around some neighborhood at odd hours.
That stop seemed like an eternity and you’re darn skippy I tried to comply and make our acquaintance as short and sweet as possible! Ugh.
Most police officers I’ve dealt with are pretty nice people just doing a job.
Yeah, you show all the signs of being someone who resists arrest. Enjoy your stay overnight in the slammer.
That’s all she needed to do.
BunnySlippers is right.
There is no badge licking going on.
She was clearly in the wrong, and now she’s gone.
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