Posted on 07/19/2015 10:59:36 AM PDT by Will88
Quite a lot of bluster and many wild assumptions and smart ass rhetoric there. No one, including you, knows exactly how this will play out with Trump or any other candidate.
And as I've said often on this forum, the critical issues in this Republican primary do not fit neatly into the old liberal/conservative boxes. Where a candidate stands on critical issues this year will be what matters, and Trump is doing a good job of forcing some others to discuss those issues they'd rather avoid.
is it really cheap labor that drives them to “rinosity”?
Or is it hatred of Christian values?
It’s materialist careerism, IMO. Bags of money, hookers, blow, etc. Principled conservatism gets in the way of all the beltway fun stuff that they signed up for.
Any Shiite here is coming from you. It had been a big story for DAYS before Trump ever talked about it.
You got one thing right. I am desperate. I’m desperate for a candidate that doesn’t suck. I’m desperately trying to figure out why anybody on this board is stupid enough to buy into Perot 2.0. I’m desperately tired of people who will believe any fool thing said by somebody just so long as it sounds like they’re angry at the “right” people. I’m desperate for politics in this country to stop being a shouting match that does nothing but make annoying people on TV rich.
I’ve got a pretty good idea how this will play out. Hopefully it plays out like 4 years ago and who’s in the lead in July of the year before the election doesn’t matter and he flames out and is functionally gone from the race by Halloween.
If that doesn’t work we’ve really got 3 other paths: he doesn’t win the nod and Perot’s thus splitting the vote and putting Clinton in the White House, he does get the nod but because he’s basically running on angry rhetoric he kills the GOP with the mushy middle that actually decides elections and puts Clinton in the White House, or somehow he actually wins the whole thing and governs like the liberal he’s admitted repeatedly he is. None of them are good endings.
The critical issues in this election might not fit neatly in liberal/ conservative boxes but they’re very comfortable in untrustworthy scumbag/ not a lying bag a puss boxes. And Trump is an untrustworthy scumbag. Always has been. Read his books. He’s a sleaze.
You've got hopes and theories. You started talking about Perot and Clinton in your second paragraph, but I know what you mean.
And Trump is an untrustworthy scumbag. Always has been. Read his books. He’s a sleaze.
I'm far more comfortable with Trump than several other candidates I'd say fit that description. Trump and Cruz are the only two I'd consider at all at this point, and probably at any point in the process.
I mean Perot and Clinton. There’s a very strong chance that Trump does the same thing in 2016 that Perot did in 1992: put a Clinton in the White House.
At this juncture I don’t like any of the candidates. Cruz is a rabble-rouser with no real government experience and no real record. And frankly after Obie I just don’t want to deal with another guy whose experience is 2 years as a jr senator, been there, done that, no thanks. I was finding Walker tolerable though not actually good, then he got all whiny when the NSA’s en-mas wiretapping was made illegal and started talking about strengthening the Patriot Act and he lost me. It’s really kind of amazing to me how pathetic the GOP’s candidate pool has been lately. I’ve gotten used to not getting excited by any of the candidates but since 2008 I keep waiting for Allen Funt to show up and tell us it’s just a joke.
You’re on drugs, or something, to think that national media would have LIFTED A FINGER for her.
As to Perot, back in the 90s I actually thought the Republicans represented my top concerns, or at least they behaved that way (they were trying to cut regulations, cut the Capital Gains rate, and do a number of other good things. Amnesty wasn’t on the radar, and the Dems were already marching off to lulu land. So I was with you - the last thing I wanted was Perot as President (as I didn’t agree with him on a damn thing), or Perot making Clinton president...but we lost.
It’s different now. The ONLY PEOPLE being supported by the Republican Party are people that will dump Amnesty on us, and that issue has the capability to end the Republican Party, and the conservative cause for generations. For that reason I’d rather have the Republicans fighting Hillary in the White House over Amnesty than not fighting Bush on the same issue (i.e., much easier to fight someone from the other party as you owe them nothing, and they have no leverage over your future).
As to Trump...he is in the process of CLEARING THE FIELD of Jeb, Rubio, and others. As long as that continues he is the ONLY CANDIDATE that has forced Amnesty to get the attention it needs. We’ll see where it goes, but I’m not about to dump him until Rove and other REPUBLICANS (other than Cruz) actually STEP UP and make it ok for Party leaders and candidates to actually respond to the concerns of their base, rather than trying, once again, to undercut us.
I'm not too different, but I do see some possibilities in Trump and Cruz. Here's a short post in another thread that sort sums me up at the moment:
To McCain: Those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones.
McCain’s the most deceitful, destructive, intolerant, insulting and mean old cuss Republican in the Congress (next to his girlfriend, Lindsay).
He finally got his glass house damaged. And it should happen until he’s standing in glass shards.
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