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On the one hand, never disparage a POW for being a POW. Bad move, Trump.

On the other hand, F John McCain! Just because he was a POW doesn't mean he has any business being a Senator. He's been riding that horse for decades.

1 posted on 07/18/2015 10:16:30 AM PDT by servo1969
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I can never forget how terribly McCain treated the families of POWs. It is on YouTube.


69 posted on 07/18/2015 10:47:07 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: servo1969

Trump should have not done this. I draw a sharp line between honorable McCain in Vietnam, and the political RINO he became later on.


73 posted on 07/18/2015 10:47:55 AM PDT by BigEdLB (They need to target the 'Ministry of Virtue' which has nothing to do with virtue.)
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A lot of brave, brave men were captured by the enemy in war. Many continued to serve on release but many never made it out. I honor all of their sacrifices for our nation.

If he wants to criticize McCain there’s plenty of idiocy to choose from from his years as an idiot senator.


74 posted on 07/18/2015 10:48:23 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: servo1969

He had better Apologize and say he “misspoke”.

It works for the Democrats every time it’s tried.

Remember, McCain not only called Trump names, he called anyone listening to Trump “crazies”. You know, his fellow Americans.


79 posted on 07/18/2015 10:49:47 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (I know I left my Tagline around here somewhere...)
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FROM WIKIPEDIA: [McCain’s plane went into a vertical inverted spin.[110] Bailing out upside down at high speed,[111] the force of the ejection fractured McCain’s right arm in three places, his left arm, and his right leg at the knee, and knocked him unconscious.[111][112] McCain nearly drowned after parachuting into Trúc Bạch Lake in Hanoi; the weight of his equipment was pulling him down, and as he regained consciousness, he could not use his arms.[105] Eventually, he was able to inflate his life vest using his teeth.[105] Several Vietnamese, possibly led by Department of Industry clerk Mai Van On, pulled him ashore.[113] A mob gathered around, spat on him, kicked him, and stripped him of his clothes; his left shoulder was crushed with the butt of a rifle and he was bayoneted in his left foot and abdominal area.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_military_career_of_John_McCa


81 posted on 07/18/2015 10:50:31 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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He survived being captured and tortured. IMO, he earns our thanks, but that doesn’t make him a ‘hero’ in my book.

Charging the line to give your mates the advantage or time to retreat, pulling a wounded comrade from the field under heavy fire...these are, to me, the heroes.

Unless Juan did anything exemplary (and, from what I’ve read, he did not), the D is right. And, as others have said, a true hero would not milk that fact.


82 posted on 07/18/2015 10:50:48 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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And Rush thought that Perot was a hand grenade with a bad haircut.

5.56mm

84 posted on 07/18/2015 10:51:10 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: servo1969

He has now jumped the shark


86 posted on 07/18/2015 10:53:04 AM PDT by italianquaker
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EVERYBODY FORGETS!!

Who was that Senator who SINGLE-HANDEDLY KILLED all efforts to bring back the 2/3 of the POWs who never returned home???

Juan McNutt, that’s who!!

AND DON’T EVER FORGET IT!!


87 posted on 07/18/2015 10:53:57 AM PDT by Flintlock (Our soapbox is gone, the ballot box stolen--we're left with the bullet box now.)
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I’m no John McCain fan, but what Trump said is pathetic.

The man did five years in the Hanoi Hilton and for that he deserves better.

We can, do, and will disagree with him politically, but everyone who has been a POW has been disparaged by a guy looking to score cheap political points.


89 posted on 07/18/2015 10:55:48 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("No social transformation without representation." - Justice Antonin Scalia)
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To: servo1969

Confirms my opinion that Trump is a loud mouthed, pig ignorant jack azz.


95 posted on 07/18/2015 11:01:56 AM PDT by Bayan
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That is kind of tone deaf for Trump... but it is Trump being Trump. “No time for losers for we are the champions” — wonder if that will be Trump’s inaugural song?


96 posted on 07/18/2015 11:01:57 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: servo1969

I agree. A stupid thing for trump to say. He isn’t ready for prime time.


97 posted on 07/18/2015 11:02:00 AM PDT by plain talk
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In a back-handed kind of way, Trump is right, even though it’s politically-incorrect to agree with him. Back in the day, Audie Murphy and Alvin York were war heroes. Today, anyone in uniform who winds up in a war zone is a war hero, POW or not.


99 posted on 07/18/2015 11:02:48 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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Those POW’s who were true heroes attained that status through their actions after capture, like Jeremiah Denton, James Stockdale, Robbie Risner, Bud Day, to name just a very few. None should be denigrated for having been captured, it is true. That said, McCain’s post-capture actions, in my humble opinion, make him suspect, particularly given his penchant for being a liberal democrat in GOP clothing. My theory, based on little else but supposition, is that he is owned by the NVA/DNC machine.

All that said, Trump’s words were ill-advised, we agree on that.


101 posted on 07/18/2015 11:04:17 AM PDT by DPMD
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Whoa....bad move. You are right. But being a POW doesn’t gain automatic sainthood either, although compassion is essential for such people. The ones who earn sainthood are the ones like Louis Zamperini——and they NEVER seek power or fame because of their ordeal.

As Sir Acton stated, Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. McClain sold his soul for power and fame a long time ago. From what I read about his young life, he never developed any integrity (virtues)—and was bottom of his class (stupid/lazy) and used his father’s influence to get everything.

Virtue is developed and habituated in childhood. McCain is devoid of Virtue, but it has nothing to do with being a POW although it can affect your belief in God. I doubt that McCain ever believed in God in the first place, because he was devoid in ethics as a young man. I could be wrong-—but from his “fruits” you should judge. Virtue is obvious by actions. Look at that evil, warped and ignorant daughter he produced!
Just diabolical like his statements half of the time.


102 posted on 07/18/2015 11:04:34 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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There are many things over which to take John McCain to task. His service and his capture aren’t among them.

Trump is over the line with this one.


104 posted on 07/18/2015 11:05:27 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2017; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: servo1969

Donald,

I still like you but this isn’t going to help you.


105 posted on 07/18/2015 11:06:03 AM PDT by boycott
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I must have forgotten what McCain did to deserve being called a hero. He was a POW. But then he did embraced his former captors later and showed his contempt for other POWs. To more than a few people he brings to mind, maybe unfairly, "the Manchurian Candidate."

Furthermore, he dumped the wife who stood by him all this time for a younger and richer woman. In my books this does not a hero make.

In Senate he has done more harm than good. How can one refer to some as a hero who wants to destroy this country with his love for illegal aliens?

I would never call him a hero.

111 posted on 07/18/2015 11:09:27 AM PDT by apocalypto
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McCain was no hero. He was a wreckless hothead who got shot down and imprisoned. There’s no heroism in that. There’s duty, honorable duty and suffering, but no heroism in what he did and what he experienced.


113 posted on 07/18/2015 11:10:35 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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