Posted on 07/11/2015 1:59:03 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
His first issue with Trump is about pants buying? First world troubles indeed. Yesterday, I had to use a standard kleenex since I was out of the moisturized kind. Sniff, sniff.
For business reasons, the Chamber of Commerce is screwing conservatives. Since when is duplicity “for business reasons” acceptable?
“If Jeb got the nomination and Trump ran third party, would you vote for Trump? I would.”
Assuming that Trump sounds the same as 3rd Party, I suspect that most people here would vote for him...I certainly would.
Bottom line is that JEB CANNOT WIN. He’ll either be defeated by Trump in the Primaries, or he’ll be defeated by Trump in November, 2016.
And Jeb has himself and the baggage his party has put on him to blame...it is NOT Trump’s or anyone else’s fault. The 2016 Presidential election ENDED FOR BUSH the moment that Trump got traction. He’s a walking zombie at this point.
“...and doesn’t give a hoot about the people living in NYC walk-ups”
You are ON A ROLL - KEEP IT UP!!!
“Trump likes to utilize Eminent Domain.”
He can have his eminent domain if he gives me border security...since eminent domain protections will be TOTALLY GONE anyway, once the Democrats seize complete total control of Washington through Amnesty and Open Borders.
“To push the GOP’s Jebby to the convention and another hold your nose at the polls next year...”
NOPE, not happening again, not with people on this site, and millions of other conservatives - we will either sit it out or find a 3rd Party to vote for.
The GOP bosses have jumped the shark with Jebby...he’s not going to win, since he won’t be any better than Hillary, in any case.
If Trump does nothing else at least he’s gotten some attention focused upon the
upcoming GOP primary.
The first debate is schedule for August 6, 2015 or 21 days hence. Three weeks out and
Trump has center stage at this point. Imo as time goes on that will change and others
will take some time up front.
The following debate after Fox is on Sept 16, 2015 or 41 days later. During that
time it will be interesting to follow the ups and downs of the candidates.
Over 460 candidates have filed the FEC Form 2 as a presidential candidate for
the 2016 election. Most have no chance but a few will drive the public discourse.
....FEC Form 2 candidate filers ....
http://www.fec.gov/press/resources/2016presidential_form2dt.shtml
Consider this: Trump has got people talking about illegals. He's got the spotlight on one of our most severe problems. When I see the idiots from the view (as highlighted on FNC) spout off, "But how do they get back in??" I realize just how much illegal immigration has been swept under the rug.
If Trump can bring about a change to the conversation, then, I say, let's ride it for awhile.
Has it occurred to you that if Trump is the only one who will even talk about illegal immigration, that he is also the only one who would actually do something about it?
You have quite a contradictory tangle going there. Or maybe all you really wanted was a little conversation about "one of our most severe problems", but nothing actually done to address one our most severe problems.
And there are many more like you.
Trump was on a roll and he took no prisoners.
I can just imagine the weasel Roves head exploding after his appearance.
That village idiot Over The RNC must be drinking heavily with Trump telling the truth about there K street appointed moron .
Baloney! I used to live 40 miles from the largest border crossing in CA. You know, the one where all the tunnels are found! I was a huge supporter of Duncan Hunter and his fence.
I'm glad Trump has brought the conversation to a boiling point. However, I believe that Cruz will actually do something about it. He was saying the same things but being ignored by the media. Trump is the summer flavor of the month. I think he will fizzle out, much like Newt, before the primaries are over, no matter how much I'm enjoying the show right now.
Nope, but not surprised. This is getting interesting...Cruz seems to be the only Republican candidate WITH A BRAIN when it comes to Trump.
If Trump is driven from the party during the Primaries, he may very well run as 3rd Party. EVERY REPUBLICAN running should have thought about that - so far, only Cruz seems to be capable of it. If Trump runs 3rd Party, Jeb simply loses - there is NO WAY Jeb will be able to defeat both Hillary and Trump, and Jeb will very likely place third. The only REAL QUESTION will be whether Trump can defeat Hillary in a 3 man race.
This is getting fun, now.
If what you say is true, that many conservatives are so easily misled by Trump’s message, doesn’t that really reflect how sh&tty the rest of the field must be? According to you Trump can just March in with a totally contrived message and completely suck the air out of the room leaving real so called candidates in his dust. If that really IS the case, then it simply means that none of the other candidates reflect the feelings of the base anyway....making them completely unelectable.
The Republican Party has crapped all over its base for the past 25+ years and a huge number within that base have come to the conclusion that there isn’t a dimes worth of difference between a (D) or an (R). Professional politicians have destroyed this country and the anger they have created has opened the door for any non-politician candidate that is willing to express that frustration. The fact that Trump is arrogant, brash, untrustworthy, etc is irrelevant as the only thing that matters to them is that he seems to feel our frustration with party leadership and direction of the country and he’s willing to incur a whole lot of abuse just to express it.
Generally I like Jonah Goldberg but he and the rest of the establishment pundits are wedded to the theory of career politicians. They can no more divorce themselves from that premise than a cat can stop stalking birds.
The original intent of the founding fathers was for our elected leaders to be citizen servants. Come to office for a period of time and then go back to their regular life. As did Washington and Jefferson etc.
Over time the career politician evolved into what we see today and that is IMO the root of the dilemma we face today. Elected representatives who have never done anything else in their lives except graduate law school and go into politics or government as a career
This politician class and their fellow travelers like Jonah Goldberg, Rich Lowery, Charles Krauthammer, George Will etc, etc have a vested interest in keeping the circle unbroken.
Now comes Donald Trump successful businessman, writer and TV celebrity. This is a person who is on a first name basis with the world leaders that the other GOP candidates struggle to name. This person Donald Trump has every credential to be President except for the single missing item from his resume’. He is not a career politician and he has not been schooled in the art of the political deal. He doesn’t know you are supposed to tread carefully lest you misstep and bring any type of disapproval upon yourself from your own or others. He isn’t interested in securing himself a permanent seat at the table of the uniparty and that makes him dangerous to both sides of the equation.
So Donald Trump must be smeared, scorned, vilified and basically run off the road.
Trump and Cruz are the only two candidates I'd vote for in this field. But Cruz is mostly echoing what Trump is saying and Cruz did not make any strong point about addressing illegal immigration and building an actual border wall in the weeks before Trump declared.
Ted's been very dodgy on illegal immigration overall, and his "streamlining legal immigration" sounds like allow so many to immigrate legally that few will have to come illegally.
Ted's having trouble gaining traction and needs to do something to gain enough support to be sure he is in the first debate with the top candidates.
Well said.
Won't be any use, though. There's a sucker born every minute, and reborn every four years.
Goldbrick and his ilk are shills for a paralyzed, palsied, pathetic Republican establishment class that is mostly motivated by a desire to preserve a privileged position in a socialist tsunami which they refused to do anything meaningful about.
For some time, the US has been subjected to an invasion of illegal aliens that neither political party has done anything about. The Democrats have done nothing because it benefits them by creating a whole new group of voters for them to bribe with free stuff, making sure they will have the ability to control the government. The Republicans have done nothing about it because it benefits certain people by driving down the cost of labor, and because to some extent, they believe (wrongly) that they can exploit this new source of votes.
Trump is right to reveal this unfortunate and evil state of affairs. Trump’s solution to this problem is the correct one. And to be honest, it is an awesome thing to see someone speak the truth about this matter. All we conservatives get from the GOP-e is a wad of mealy-mouthed BS about ‘nuance’ and ‘pragmatism’ and other drivel from the mouths of politicians coached to say those things by professional homosexual consultants. Which brings up this- what does the GOP stand for at this point? Opposition to Obamacare? Opposition to same-sex marriage? Opposition to illegal immigration? Opposition to sellout trade deals? It should be obvious at this point that the Republican party has mostly played the role of lesser Democrats on these points. If it takes a Trump candidacy at this point to force the Republicans into real opposition, so be it.
Also, it is good to see the Myth Romneys, Bushes and their ilk squirm, and try to equivocate, and still stand for nothing. Thank you for that, Donald Trump. Granted, he’s got some credibility issues. At this point, while I tend to favor Ted Cruz, I would not rule out voting for Trump. Especially if that makes some moderate nervous or fearful.
I didn’t say a thing about Jeb.
Trump is playing the game. First and foremost he is a salesman. He is selling you what you want to here.
And sadly many are buying into this notion that in 2009 he magically turned conservative?
I think Jonah is missing the boat, or he's one of 'them'...How could Trump be conning us when all he is doing is confirming those things we already know...
No body likes Trump...No one wants Trump to be President...But we do want a President with the ideas that Trump puts forth...And right now, Trump is the mouthpiece...And what a mouthpiece...
In the first part of this quoted statement is where you sort of make my point. Where is the conservative intellect being applied to Trump as a candidate? He was against conservative principles before he was for them...if he is really for them?
He is saying what you want to hear. The base has been saying this same stuff for a long time. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to falsely adopt the rhetoric.
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