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In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. (fact checking time)
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Posted on 07/07/2015 3:17:08 AM PDT by dennisw

In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.

The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).

The rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).

According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of thisnumber, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

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1 posted on 07/07/2015 3:17:08 AM PDT by dennisw
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here is the full version which might be hard to locate because it is a readers comment/ Please fact check what he has to say. Thanks!

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In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.

The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).

In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more (2).

According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of thisnumber, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters.

The majority of slaveholders, white and black, owned only one to five slaves. More often than not, and contrary to a century and a half of bullwhips-on-tortured-backs propaganda, black and white masters worked and ate alongside their charges; be it in house, field or workshop. The few individuals who owned 50 or more slaves were confined to the top one percent, and have been defined as slave magnates.

In 1860 there were at least six Negroes in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves The largest number, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, who owned a large sugar cane plantation. Another Negro slave magnate in Louisiana, with over 100 slaves, was Antoine Dubuclet, a sugar planter whose estate was valued at (in 1860 dollars) $264,000 (3). That year, the mean wealth of southern white men was $3,978 (4).
Reality does not fit the narrative

 

2 posted on 07/07/2015 3:19:31 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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You can’t say stuff like that. Even hardcore conservatives like Mark Levin will absolutely freak out and shut you up.


3 posted on 07/07/2015 3:30:10 AM PDT by Crazieman (Article V or National Divorce. The only solutions now.)
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. . . with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves.

That points to a very high percentage of blacks being slaves, and as the article mentions previously, a small ruling class of whites. The oppression, while highly egregious, is considerably smaller than currently inflicted by Margaret Sanger and her followers.

4 posted on 07/07/2015 3:31:56 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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The descendants of these black slave owners need to pay reparations!


5 posted on 07/07/2015 3:32:05 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: dennisw

I might add the first legally owned slave in this country was owned by a black man....


6 posted on 07/07/2015 3:39:58 AM PDT by Popman (Christ Alone: My Cornerstone...)
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To: dennisw

and the first to legally own a slave (via the courts) was none other then a black man..........Anthony Johnson


7 posted on 07/07/2015 3:40:49 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: dennisw
I've come to think that we have underestimated the impact of perspective on broad cultural understandings of slavery and the Civil War.

It is perfectly true that most southern whites did not own slaves, and that, among the slave owners, most owned very few slaves. The idea of often benign domestic servitude, with slaves and their owners living in close quarters on reasonably friendly terms and working side by side in the field or home, is a natural reflection of this demographic reality.

But the reverse perspective is also true. The vast majority of blacks in the south were enslaved. And the great majority of slaves were owned by the larger landowners with big plantations. For blacks, the slave gang, slave quarters, and overseer driven, large scale agricultural production for export were the dominant realities.

150 years later, the descendants of the typical riflemen in Lee's army look back at slavery and say, "we didn't own any, and that's not what my great great grandfather was fighting for." Or "My great great grandfather owned a slave family, and treated them well, and stayed on good terms after the war." And all that is probably true.

150 years later, the descendants of the typical slave look back and think Simon Legree. And that is true as well.

The two camps have opposite perceptions, and both can be right.

8 posted on 07/07/2015 3:45:09 AM PDT by sphinx
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Of thisnumber, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

So according to census data, in 1860 there were 160,007 free people of all races in Orleans Parish and a total of 4,169 slave holders. So you expect us to believe that free blacks, who made up 6.6% of the total population of New Orleans and its Parish, also comprised over 72% of all slave holders? Really?

9 posted on 07/07/2015 3:51:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).

When I was growing up we had one car titled in my father's name. So legally speaking only 25% of the family had a car. But all the people in the family received benefit from his car ownership.

Same with slavery. Maybe 4.8% of the people in the South owned slaves. But those people had spouses and children who all gained from that person owning the slave. So the better statistic for determining how important slavery was is to compare the total number of slave owners with the total number of families shown in the census. And if you look at it that way then throughout the South somewhere between one-quarter and one-fifth of all families were slaveowners. In states like Mississippi it approached 50%.

10 posted on 07/07/2015 3:58:03 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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The Federal Government presently owns more slaves than the Old South ever had.


11 posted on 07/07/2015 3:58:09 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: dennisw

I am not sure what the point is?

Are we supposed to be happy because there WAS slavery, but it was too expensive for most people?

What am I supposed to take away from this article?


12 posted on 07/07/2015 3:59:04 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: dennisw

You wants a fact check, you gets a fact check.

The facts given are true, but quite arguably misleading.

Title to property is vested in an individual, but we normally speak of a family owning their home, not the individual holding the title.

Similarly, it doesn’t really make sense to talk about title ownership only for slavery. By that definition Scarlett O’Hara wasn’t a slave owner.

So what percentage of families owned slaves?

Here is a table with the 1860 census details. In slave states, it varied from 3% in DE to 49% in MS.

http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html

In the seven states that seceded first, 36.7% of white families owned slaves. In the states that seceded after Sumter, the percentage was 30.8%. In the slave states that stayed in the Union, it was 15.9%. Across all slave states in 1860, it was 26%.

The implication behind articles like this is generally that slavery was not central to the life of most southerners, that it was a peripheral thing involving only the most wealthy.

That implication is quite simply untrue. It was utterly central to the southern economy and the basis of their way of life, as they themselves repeatedly said. Which is why they were willing to fight to protect it.


13 posted on 07/07/2015 4:05:07 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: blueyon
and the first to legally own a slave (via the courts) was none other then a black man..........Anthony Johnson

He was a white guy.

"Whereas Hugh Gwyn hath . . . brought back from Maryland three servants formerly run away . . . the court doth . . . order [that] the first serve out their times with their master according to their indentures, . . . and that [the] third being a negro named John Punch shall serve his said master or his assigns for the time of his natural life here or elsewhere." A Virginia Court Decision (1640) from Virginia Magazine of History and Biography (January 1898), vol. 5, no. 3, p. 236.

14 posted on 07/07/2015 4:05:41 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: dennisw

Interesting account of one former slave’s personal experience. Educated with the master’s family, went to church with the master and even stolen and taken to another plantation only to run away and return to the original master.

http://dbs.ohiohistory.org/africanam/html/pagecc75.html?ID=13935

Obviously all accounts weren’t so benign.

http://dbs.ohiohistory.org/africanam/html/mss/gr7999.html


15 posted on 07/07/2015 4:08:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Sad fact, most people just want a candidate to tell them what they want to hear)
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Yours is a very good counter argument for what he has to say. My opinion is that slave owners were more often thought as slave owning families. Even extended families. Such as the (imaginary) Smith family with the large cotton plantation. With 12 Smiths living on the property along with 200 slaves, many with families themselves


16 posted on 07/07/2015 4:09:23 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: DoodleDawg
But those people had spouses and children who all gained from that person owning the slave.

How many saw all of that had gained and more wiped out by the Civil War, along with those who had never owned slaves?

17 posted on 07/07/2015 4:11:33 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dennisw
Black Americans have been taught by self-serving leftists that because there was once slavery in parts of the U.S., there is no such thing as liberty.

The truth is, Progressive Leftists are opposed to individual liberty as defined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. The only real complaint they have about chattel slavery in America two hundred years ago is that the slaves were privately owned.

But they get orgasmic over the idea of slavery to the state.

Democrats never pass up on opportunity to tell us why enslavement by the state is for our own protection and our own safety, because life under the anarchy that conservatives want to impose is just too risky and dangerous. We can't have any of that inhumane "on-your-own economics" that conservatives advocate.

Thereby proving that you no longer have to be black to be an Uncle Tom.

18 posted on 07/07/2015 4:14:08 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: DoodleDawg

John Casor who was brought over from Africa, was the first black slave. The owner was another black man Anthony Johnson.


19 posted on 07/07/2015 4:19:47 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Anthony Johnson was certainly among the first and likely the first in Massachusetts. Johnson himself was an indentured servant who had served out his contract.

Salem Poor was a former slave patriot who fought the British at Breeds hill. Poor was a slave who earned enough of his own money to buy his freedom from his master. I believe the price was around 40 shillings which was a considerable sum of money. Poor was recommended for commendation by 13 separate militia officers for his actions at Breeds hill.

The fact is that slavery is only as simple as the minds of those who try to simplify it.


20 posted on 07/07/2015 4:22:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Sad fact, most people just want a candidate to tell them what they want to hear)
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