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Fed to Mandate that Cars “Broadcast Speed and Location Data” Promise Not to Use it Against You
free thought project ^ | July 3, 2015 | Justin Gardner

Posted on 07/04/2015 2:18:46 PM PDT by upchuck

Federal government is currently crafting a mandate that would require all new vehicles to “talk” to each other continuously. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration plans to submit their proposed “connected car” rule by the end of this year.

Vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) communication technology has been developed by top automakers over the past decade and is ready for commercialization. It uses a combination of Wi-Fi, GPS data, and sensor data collected by the vehicle to transmit a signal on speed and position 10 times a second.

Like so many technologies, V2V is a double-edged sword. On one hand, it has great potential to reduce car crashes, which claim 37,000 lives a year in the U.S. It also means that your driving data will be broadcast openly, making it easy for interested parties to intercept this information.

“V2V ups privacy concerns because it essentially broadcasts a vehicle’s location and speed, as well as some information about where a vehicle has been previously, to anyone within range. And while Department of Transportation officials told the GAO that “V2V communication security system would contain multiple technical, physical, and organizational controls to minimize privacy risks—including the risk of vehicle tracking by individuals and government or commercial entities,” regulating who can use V2V data and for what would fall outside the Department of Transportation’s span of control. It would essentially require legislation by Congress.”

Considering the mass surveillance being carried out by the National Security Agency and other agencies, it is highly unlikely that authorities would ignore this potent source of information. Local governments could use the data to track those they consider “bad actors.”


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KEYWORDS: marxism; maxism
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To: upchuck

No.


41 posted on 07/04/2015 3:04:08 PM PDT by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: Fresh Wind

“What could possibly go wrong?”

Isn’t it supposed to be: What could possibly go worng?


42 posted on 07/04/2015 3:05:20 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: upchuck

Yep! CDC probably getting ready to mandate that all penises must talk to each other and be speed and location traceable.


43 posted on 07/04/2015 3:06:13 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: upchuck

Ok, so for the first time I’m glad Sen Paul is in the race.

This sounds like the kind of issue where him having a larger platform could be beneficial.


44 posted on 07/04/2015 3:10:57 PM PDT by BlueNgold (May I suggest a very nice 1788 Article V with your supper...)
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To: Fresh Wind

What could possibly go wrong?


Imagine what carnage an evil hacker could do with this!


45 posted on 07/04/2015 3:11:47 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: KrisKrinkle

Your Social Security Number won’t be used for identification.


Only for actual citizens. Illegals get a free pass.


46 posted on 07/04/2015 3:15:37 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: upchuck
"...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism...

Randy Barnett translates: "But to justify a revolution, it was not thought to be enough that officials of the government of England, the Parliament, or even the King himself had violated the rights of the people. No government is perfect; all governments violate rights. This was well known."

"So the Americans had to allege more than mere violations of rights. They had to allege nothing short of a criminal conspiracy to violate their rights systematically. Hence the Declaration’s famous reference to “a long train of abuses and usurpations” and the list that followed."

I'm thinking we got a us a criminal conspiracy by the gruberment at all levels to violate our Rights systematically.

47 posted on 07/04/2015 3:21:25 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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To: kiryandil
I'm thinking we got a us a criminal conspiracy by the gruberment at all levels to violate our Rights systematically.

But they are violating our rights for our own good.

The despots have only the best of intentions.

It’s for the children!

48 posted on 07/04/2015 3:24:38 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; rockrr

My next one might be a relatively very low cost, small, homebuilt roadster including homebuilt roll chassis (little experience there from my youth). Haven’t decided, yet, whether it will be front mid-engine or rear mid-engine. Leaning toward rear mid-engine, because increasingly more donor vehicles have front-engine, front wheel drive (works for a rear mid-engine build).

Will likely do a laminated job with carbon fiber as the surface layer for the body and subdued finish (lighter, less radar signature). There are quite a few open source collaborations including plans for building such vehicles (for those who can do mechanics, fab with metals and composites or at least learn much).


49 posted on 07/04/2015 3:24:52 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
"There are valid technical reasons for why this would be a good thing. There are valid technical reasons for why this would also be a bad thing."

And there is nothing in the Constitution which gives the feds this authority!

50 posted on 07/04/2015 3:28:54 PM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: upchuck

If this is Vehicle-to-Vehicle only, then this isn’t so bad. Essentially the cars within 300 feet of you all talking with each other and keeping track of speed and direction.

Big step up in safety.

But this does NOT need to transmit to a government server anywhere.


51 posted on 07/04/2015 3:28:59 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: rockrr

My car has a carburetor and mechanical fuel pump also..


52 posted on 07/04/2015 3:32:37 PM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: upchuck

The owner will pay in the added cost of the car and maintenance. Car dealers will be forbidden to disable them. Within 2 years police cars and roadside receivers will be able to read and store the data.

Government agencies will store the information at a huge cost, giving them an excuse to raise taxes.

Remember when they gave us reflective plates? They said they would save lives. Lo and behold, a few years later, all police cars scan all plates and store the information.

Trust your government?


53 posted on 07/04/2015 3:33:14 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country)
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To: fuzzylogic
"This is about reducing crashes and improving traffic efficiency."

How?

"If you like sitting at red lights when nobody is coming on the green light then fine but I personally would rather have those days (accumulative minutes) of my life back."

If one can run a red light, all can run red lights.

Show us a good use for the new technology--a use that isn't too trivial.

For commonly unsafe, narcoleptic drivers, safety radar works at short range in real time without using or storing information about a driver's speed or location, but I don't even need that.


54 posted on 07/04/2015 3:37:19 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: I want the USA back

Mileage taxand so on.


55 posted on 07/04/2015 3:37:34 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: familyop

I’m currently on the hunt for a hot Flathead. The guy who built the car did a nice chop and channel job, but he put in a small block with auto tranny. It’s a good engine, but an automatic in a street rod? No way!


56 posted on 07/04/2015 3:40:17 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: upchuck

There are two totally separate issues being talked about here. The least number of comments are regarding the Technology. The technology is a good thing.

The problem is who has the power to used the data generated by this Technology and has two aspects. First, that we no longer TRUST the Government which would have access to the data generated by the Technology. Secondly, that our Government no longer has any desire or will to control or limit evil wrong-doers (as opposed to “non-compliant” individuals who insist on, say, driving at 75mph on a deserted, dry Interstate which our benevolent Government has designated as a 55mph Limit section because it is a “mountain county”.

Instead, Government is primarily concerned with CONTROL of ordinary people going about their everyday lives.

“Where is your Permit?”
“Have you completed the Environmental Impact Evaluation?”
“Have you offended a privileged minority?”
“How much did you make last year? Send it in!”

The Technology could be great in reducing traffic accidents, in allowing for self driving cars and for “flight following” for loved ones on a trip. The fly in the ointment is that Government cannot be trusted. And the Technology will facilitate criminals who will continue to go unpunished.


57 posted on 07/04/2015 3:40:33 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (.)
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To: rockrr

All they have to do is make it illegal to drive a car that is not equipped with this function.


58 posted on 07/04/2015 3:42:00 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

An imperial edict that I half expect most any time.


59 posted on 07/04/2015 3:44:36 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: upchuck
They're practicing with ADSB.

Every aircraft will "talk" to every other aircraft, giving position data, altitude, etc. - plus the aircraft owner's name and personal information.

Every aircraft that intends to use air traffic control services (towers, flight following, etc.) must have one on board by 2020.

"Oh, look. John Smith is out on a flight..."

Screw that. I'll fly into uncontrolled fields only.

60 posted on 07/04/2015 3:48:57 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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