Posted on 07/01/2015 9:02:17 PM PDT by celmak
The inner democrat really comes out when it comes to the confederate battle flag. Those who wave it say they support your right to free speech as long as it agrees with us. Because if you disagree with us then you’re just uneducated. I’d expect that from democrats. It’s sad to hear that from republicans defending a flag born by democrats waved in battle against them and the United States. And I agree that democrat voters who oppose said flag are uneducated about it because their party created it in the 1st place, but republican voters who oppose it know why we do.
Read post 35.
I am not sure that is all together accurate. It wasn’t until the invention of the cotton gin and the subsequent boom in cotton production that slavery was even a successful economic model in almost any area of the country. It continued to be of little use in even much of the South. It was only really viable in the Deep South and the massive plantations that could produce large amounts of cash crops like cotton.
Without the Cotton Gin, a northerners invention, slavery would have probably been eliminated in the South as it had been in the North. It was the economic viability brought about by technological advancement that gave it longer life.
I'm not going to p*ss on my ancestors either, but I admit they were wrong to hold slaves, slaves that amounted to no more than what Islamic terrorist are doing in African and the Middle East - kidnapping for slave labor.
We can remember the good of our past, many of my ancestors were great teachers. But if we don't admit to the wrong doing of the past, we risk our own futures.
“I apprehend that if all living Union soldiers were summoned to the witness stand, every one of them would testify that it was the preservation of the American Union and not the destruction of Southern slavery that induced him to volunteer at the call of his Country. As for the South, it is enough to say that perhaps eighty percent of her armies were neither slave-holders, nor had the remotest interest in the institution...both sides fought and suffered for liberty as bequeathed by the Fathers—the one for liberty in the union of the States, the other for liberty in the independence of the States.” Reminiscences of the Civil War, by John B. Gordon, Maj. Gen. CSA
General Gordon was shot 5 times during the Battle of Antietam but did not die until January 9, 1904. Regarding General John Gordon, President Theodore Roosevelt stated, “A more gallant, generous, and fearless gentleman and soldier has not been seen by our Country.”
“A great majority of the people were poor and had no interest in slavery, present or prospective. But most of them had little mountain homes and, be it ever so humble, there is no place like home...but when the Federal army occupied East Tennessee and threatened North Carolina...” Lt. Col. William W. Stringfield: Histories of the Several Regiments and Battalions from North Carolina in the Great War 1861-’65, Vol., 3, p. 734.
As soetoro claims an aversion to that flag, I embrace it as a modern symbol of DEFIANCE!
Removing the flag is less than mere symbolism over substance, because it has absolutely nothing to do with the recurrence of drugged up losers committing murder.
Nothing. Its the Red Herring de jour.
But now that we’re talking about it, the GOP of the 1860-1880 era was very different than conservatives today. The civil war and avalanch of ammendments that followed dealt a crippling blow to states rights as envisioned by the framers of the constitution.
Slavery was wrong, although not extraordinarily rare in that era. And frankly the only reason western nations no longer use slaves or colonies is the industrial revolution....were aren’t nearly as moral as we presume. But no matter how immoral, the correct remedy under the constitution for a state that leaves the Union in.....nothing. Nothing at all. Not miltary force. So the Republicans of the era got it wrong. Their high minded ends did not justify the means, from a constitutional perspective.
Fast forward to today - where in the constitution do it give anyone the right to ban a flag? If your neighbor flies a confederate flag, try not caring about it.
I just get tired of conservatives being labeled as racists holding this flag in text books that my college kids bring home, and never is it stated that it belonged to demorats!
It matters a great deal. Especially if you are constantly battling ‘Madison Avenue’ perceptions of “The South”. And that gets transmitted world wide that we are a bunch of hicks and mouth breathers.
And it is UP TO YOU to set them straigbt. Then it is up to them to listen. The universities are about indoctrination.
Get used to it. No matter what a Conservative does he will be labeled a racist.
Your cheering on the democrats in their quest to remove this flag from our history is not going to gain you any brownie points with the media.
Face it, you're still going to be labeled a racist unless you are a left wing democrat.
So instead of denouncing the Rebel flag, perhaps you should embrace it.
It is good to be a rebel in this insane world. Try it.
Not sure who wants it banned. I have no problem with it not flying over government buildings. I see no issue with it at Confederate sites and monuments though it should fly BELOW the U.S. Flag.
Leftists are little more than morons and easily lead by feelings. That is why they are hard to combat. Ever argue with a child same thing. Rationality has no bearing.
Stop being a fool. Slavery in the United States is older than any political party. George Washington was perhaps the largest slave owner of his day. You want to ‘ban’ him, too?
Nonsense, complete nonsense. It is not a flag of a political party, it was originally a military battle flag. Men of varying beliefs and political positions fought under it. The USA flag has flown when both republicans and democrats have been the majority in political office, and the USA flag never became a republican or democrat flag. Do the political parties in power "own" battle flags used by our military today? Of course not.
In world war II there was a difference between the nazi flag and the German flag, one was a political party flag. So there are examples of a political party owning a flag used in war, but this is not the case with the CSA Naval Jack.
That's either utterly ignorant or a gross distortion. The idea of abolition had been around since America's founding. Just because it wasn't official policy, doesn't mean it wasn't the root cause. Lincoln was a pragmatist. When he ran he said he wouldn't interfere with slavery in states where it existed, but opposed any new slave states. The southern elites who owned the slaves and controlled southern politics didn't believe him, and in any case knew that eventually without expanding slavery into the new states they would ultimately be too small a minority to maintain slavery. So they seceded before Lincoln was even sworn in.
Being a pragmatist Lincoln's first goal was to save the union. He said if he could save it by freeing all the slaves he would, if he could save it by freeing none he would, and if he could save it by freeing some and leaving others he would. He also knew if he issued the emancipation proclamation after a string of southern victories it would look like desperation. So he waited until after the union victory at Antietam to do so. That's a far cry form not raising the idea before 1863.
Whether or not a flag flies over state buildings should be a state issue, decided by a legislature or popular vote - not misplaced hysteria.
The slow progression of time was methodically removing the flag anyway...per the will of contemporary voters. But all of the sudden the Dukes of Hazard has disappeared down the rabbit hole...the entire stupidity of the situation is annoying. Perhaps we should be checking out the drugs Roof took - but no, instead we’re looking at Bo and Luke’s paint job.
Actually his wife owned most of the slaves. He just happened to marry the richest widow in America.
The emancipation proclamation did not free a single slave in the United States. None. The border states that didn’t join the confederacy were allowed to remain as slave states. It applied only to the rebel states and since they were no longer part of the United States, the proclamation meant nothing to any slave in either the north or the south.
Other than the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendment, what “avalanche of ammendments” are you talking about?
Slavery was wrong, although not extraordinarily rare in that era. And frankly the only reason western nations no longer use slaves or colonies is the industrial revolution....were aren’t nearly as moral as we presume.
Yes, the cotton gin was part of that industrial revolution, but it increased slavery.
But no matter how immoral, the correct remedy under the constitution for a state that leaves the Union in.....nothing. Nothing at all. Not miltary force. So the Republicans of the era got it wrong. Their high minded ends did not justify the means, from a constitutional perspective.
Not sure where you get this information. The democrats controlled the presidency, senate and congress until it imploded in the 1850’s because some wanted slavery in all the new states and some wanted it divided. Demorat James Buchanan could have held the nation together but let it fall apart. The demorats began firing on Fort Sumter in January of 1860 – months before Lincoln took office and could do anything – and that’s when the war began.
The Demorat states of the South had already penned their defense of slavery in the secession documents. It was the Demorat South that was wrong, not the Republicans of the era.
Fast forward to today - where in the constitution do it give anyone the right to ban a flag? If your neighbor flies a confederate flag, try not caring about
As I stated in post 47, I get tired of conservatives being labeled as racists holding this flag in text books that my college kids bring home, and never is it stated that it belonged to demorats! I particularly don't care if the flag stays or goes, but I want the history of it to be correct - the history belongs to the Demorat Party.
I agree. As it was removed from the state house in FLA by a Republican, in South Carolina by a Republican as well. It was simply put at a Confederate Memorial on state house grounds.
Having a confederate flag over a civil war memorial makes sense, however since it is a Civil War Memorial in SC maybe they can fly the SC flag over it instead.
As for the Dukes. I never was a fan, but the General Lee was a great car and should live on. Ye-ha!
Oh? Name a republican that flew this flag during the war, when that flag was a real battle flag!
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