Posted on 06/29/2015 5:30:35 AM PDT by Nextrush
Any efforts to reverse or alleviate the pain caused by SCOTUS decisions (Gay Marriage, Obamacare etc.) at any level of government will either be shot down in the legislative process by corporate elite pressure, vetoed by executive branches under corporate elite pressure or if signed into law by executive branches, the judicial branch will step in to kill any laws.
The political system of electing representatives of the people to make decisions has been circumvented and short circuited. It needs repair.
The old way many of us are used to isn't working and won't work.
Cheerleading for the GOP and putting down the "Libs" and "Demonrats" like we're sitting in a sports bar cheering on our favorite team and dissing the other team isn't reality.
Its like Mister Rogers and his "Land of Make Believe". This fantasy world works for children, but not for adults.
Dr. Martin Luther King had to face a political system that didn't work for his concerns about racial segregation.
It took him years to perfect, but in 1963 MLK delivered a blow to the Democrat Party political machine, taking JFK by his nose and kicking his a** at Birmingham.
Young people put the nonviolent civil disobedience over the top.
After the six and seven year olds marching into the police lines took Bull Connor's forces off guard, other protestors were able to use the shock to get around police lines and into downtown. The next day the teenagers came out and Bull was so enraged by the events the day before he brought out the dogs and water cannon, creating scenes that changed history.
JFK and the Democrat Party had to change their tune in the face of these events. Kennedy had to stop his emotional symbolic speechmaking and pretend concern (just like Republicans have for 'family values' or 'traditional marriage') for civil rights-racial equality and actually support some real and meaningful legislation.
The Kennedy Administration-Democratic Party was afraid of MLK upsetting the apple cart of Kennedy's winning coalition of blacks, white liberals and southern segregationists. This is just like the GOP operates suckering grassroots conservatives and religious voters while taking the corporate support totally hostile to the conservative and religious voters concerns.
The Kennedy's (JFK-RFK) got the FBI spying on MLK leading to audio tapes of King's sexual trysts. A copy of one tape was sent to Dr. King and listened to by his wife after Lyndon Johnson replaced JFK as President-Democrat leader. Its interesting to note that in mid 1964 MLK suspended protest activity for the general election season.
Getting back to the reality of here and now, there is no difference between how conservatives and religious people, libertarians and so on are treated by today's Republicans and how civil rights-racial equality supporters were treated by the Democrats years ago.
Its worse than that because our political system is run by corporate elites giving us things like Amnesty, Obamacare, Trade Deals, Common Core and even Gay Marriage with no First Amendment protection allowed for religious objectors.
The elites fund two political parties with D's faking a Leftward position and R's faking a Rightward position with emotional symbolic proposals and speeches.
RESISTANCE OF A NONVIOLENT MLK STYLE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. IT COULD WORK ALTHOUGH THE HISTORY OF THE 1960'S IS THAT NONVIOLENT PROTEST ENDED UP DESCENDING INTO VIOLENCE IN SPITE OF DR. KING'S EXAMPLE. HIS EXAMPLE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE IMPROVED UPON AND INSTILLED MORE IN OUR HEARTS PERHAPS THIS TIME AROUND. THAT'S A TALL ORDER BUT I PUT IT OUT THERE.
I have the drunk, angry religious hypocrite attack other people background. I agree with Glenn Beck who has sobered up from his alcoholism and called on his audience to get their lives together.
I don't know if Beck plans to lead civil disobedience but he points people to MLK and Gandhi so we shall see.
The tea party did the same when it first got started. We won the battle of 2010, and thought we won the war, and so we went back to sleep or our comfort zone.
Apparently things are not uncomfortable enough yet for us to wake us up.
Yes, we know he's obsessed with Gandhi and with that America-hating leftist, King.
Beck is not a man who can be held up as an example. Recently he told Howard Stern that he wasn't against queer marriage and never was. In fact, he said he was FOR it long before Obama was.
Conservatives desire active and successful participation by all groups. Conservatives are sincerely concerned about unfairness to individuals and minorities. But we are constantly attacked as the source of evil misery and suffering by the activist groups.
I say we could learn a lot from their tactics. Their branding and marketing have succeeded. To the extent that we can learn from their effective strategies, may define our ability to hold ground in the future.
One of my personal principles is to be aware of the fact that achieving a particular goal is often easier then keeping and holding onto the rewards of the goal you have reached. A completely different set of skills are required once a goal has been reached and we begin the process of enjoying our gains. Ok.... sorry about rambling.
Beck would see everyone disarmed and killed before lifting a finger
Well, he might hold a rally and cry. /S
Yes, but without a full civil war. If Americans are too wimpy to do anything that has the potential for the smallest amount of violent response from tyrannical authorities, they are lost and the men that freed themselves from England with civil disobedience will roll and curse in all their graves.
An excellent posts.
IIRC, the decline in commitment by people. In the 1950’s divorce was an anathema but became accepted and by the 60’s you had the agitation for no fault divorces.
So while many folks stayed married thru it all, others became convinced divorce was no big deal.
Its kind of hard to defend an institution which has such a large failure rate.
The SCOTUS was just plain wrong. [Twice in one week no less...must be some sort of record. /sarc]
Amen, Amen and Amen.
Roe v Wade was certainly the moment that passed us by.
Bingo. The regime’s biggest enemy is the American people who disagree with them. Not radical islam, or economic chaos (that they created). They are well organized and are attacking every foundational institution that made our country great. This is what a community organizer does and it is the reason baraq was selected for the presidency. They have no regard toward what the outside world sees, because their mission is much larger than that. They are working to fundamentally change this country and are succeeding. We will have to trust that our maker is watching out for us, because no one else is.
I might agree with you, except that the Poles were still Catholic at their core (that’s why JPII was able to have so much effect in the 1980s); the USSR collapsed because of the weight of trying to keep up with the US militarily; and in Cairo, the result was not that the government reformed, but that the military staged a coup. A similar, perpetuated mass demonstration in DC and other major cities could also lead to a military coup in the US, but that isn’t something we should hope for, because that would turn us into Chile under Pinochet.
Cop-out.
I agree, and MLK did not have 90% of the media out there demonizing him. The national media was sympathetic to the cause of black civil rights and took that side. If Christians were to march and demonstrate today, and be attacked by a “Gay” Connor and his goons, the majority of the media would cheer and say we deserved it. The truth would never be reported.
This was also used against the Allende government in Chili. Protests are just ways of getting attention while expressing your rights as a free people to speak and assemble.
Great post.
Trepidation? If you weren’t a little afraid, it wouldn’t be courage! Don’t be afraid of disagreement, or even hostility. Put your ideas out there and accept that if it’s worthwhile and novel, it’s probably going to attract some flak. Flak means you’re over the target! (And remember there are plenty of leftwing trolls here. Not every conservative will agree with you, either.)
Get those ideas out there anyway. Get other people to comment on them. Maybe other people will add improvements. Maybe they will point out flawed thinking. Welcome them. Ignore those who are just cranks taking potshots.
Tea Party got duped by GOPe? Not surprised. Maybe they learned a lesson. I hope so. They are still my top choice moving forward. Do they have a mature organization capable of running candidates? Maybe not at the national level, but definitely in some local races. You have to start somewhere.
Beck. Hannity. Limbaugh. et.al. I don’t follow anyone mindlessly. I don’t agree with anyone 100%. IMO, Beck used to be entertaining (about 15+ years ago?). I think he’s gone off the rails and now is full of himself. I don’t know what he’s proposing lately because I don’t listen to him. I’m not saying his ideas are bad. I’m saying consider them carefully. Do they make sense to you? Are they “all about him”?
You are 100% right about the elites funding two fake parties.
I disagree with the idea of classic civil disobedience; i.e. people publicly disobeying a rule or law for several practical reasons.
First I just don’t see it as necessary or smart to publicly break the law. There are other alternatives that are perfectly legal. Second, it presumes that the opposition is somewhat civil. Back in the day, governments cared about spending taxpayer dollars on unnecessary incarceration costs. No longer. Prisoners are merely an input for the corrections industry. They’d be delighted to have half a city in jail while the other half pays for it. Third, its expensive and very inefficient from a resources perspective. Better to spend resources spreading your message than on bail.
Bigger picture, I think that the best way to implement conservatism and freedom is to be conservative and free. Sort of like conservatism without the ballots. I’ll flesh to concept out over the next few day but it boils down to creatively walking our own talk. We can’t expect politicians to implement conservatism in the culture as a whole if we won’t even implement it on a micro scale.
Prior to around 1960, there was shame attached to both divorce and out of wedlock births. Grounds for divorce were more limited and people who were incompatible (if there wasn’t infidelity, violence or abuse involved), by and large stayed together for the sake of the children.
People also stayed together because living apart was financially untenable, especially with children in the picture. With the advent of the “War on Poverty”, single parents could survive on the taxpayer’s dime. So the old adage holds true, “If you want more of something, subsidize it.” We’ve reaped what we’ve sown, as a nation.
The decline in church attendance nationally parallels the moral decay. I don’t see a turnaround unless or until we have a spiritual revival.
For what it’s worth, my attempt at a solution is to support Tea Party candidates and individual conservative candidates but NOT anything that is GOP. They will not get a penny of my money anymore the Republican Party is dead to me. I think I have figured out their scam. They have been taking our money and mixing it with the big donors money but we did not get to make the decisions of how to spend our money. Our money was mixed together with the big donors money then the big donors got to make the decisions of what to do with our money. We had no voice whatsoever, but of course, for years we did not know we were being played, now we know.
Everything is in flux and disarray today, we do not know what will happen and we are in great peril, so it seems that the only thing that we can do is to support a parallel party within the Republicans while keeping our money separate from the GOP. If we get enough of our candidates elected with OUR money perhaps we can takeover the Republicans or perhaps we can shed them off and start another party. It will take time. Meanwhile we have to perfect a jobs message such as Donald Trump has. This gets to the heartland of America, both Democrat voters and Republican voters as well.
We have to get more people like Trump who talk to the people in real terms and not in some boardroom stiff kind of way. Most of the Republicans talk like they are at a business meeting. Elections are not business meetings they are about reaching the hearts and minds of real people while educating them about how our country is supposed to work and how our economy is supposed to work. If you know what you are talking about you should be able to explain it to people of all income and educational levels.
We need a strong jobs message because this country has had our jobs infrastructure ruined by false double-dealing politicians in both parties. One third of our manufacturing jobs have been gone because of the traitorous trade policies of the past thirty years. If conservative candidates addressed this in a strong America first sort of way, you better believe that millions of Democrats and Independents would fly over to their side like bees to honey. The Democrat politicians have been two faced to the American people and the Republicans as well. I believe America is ready for a change. We need to make jobs the centerpiece while not abandoning threats of abortion and the gay agenda.
This is the generation that narrowly escaped being aborted.
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