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Ted Cruz backs county clerks denying marriage licenses to gay couples
MSNBC ^ | 06/28/15 12:50 AM | Adam Howard

Posted on 06/28/2015 12:41:06 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Sen. Ted Cruz is ready to rain on the parade of Texas citizens celebrating the Supreme Court decision on Friday to legalize same-sex marriage throughout the country.

On Saturday, the 2016 Republican presidential candidate said he “absolutely” believes that his state’s country clerks should deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have a religious objection, in an interview with The Texas Tribune.

“Ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression,” Cruz told the newspaper, “and you look at the foundation of this country—it was to seek out a new land where anyone of us could worship the Lord God Almighty with all of our hearts, minds and souls, without government getting in the way.” …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016election; countyclerks; election2016; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; obamanation; tedcruz; texas
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To: Artcore

Always has been....


21 posted on 06/28/2015 5:58:40 AM PDT by TNMOUTH
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To: caseinpoint

“...or they may resign if they find their duties repugnant to their personal moral codes.”

Yep, then they can find someone who will get the job done. Likely a homosexual would be ecstatic to hand out marriage licences in right-wing Texas.


22 posted on 06/28/2015 6:13:15 AM PDT by Leep (10)
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To: Olog-hai

If the SCTOUS ruling is illegitimate (it is), why would a clerk need to justify refusal with a religious objection?


23 posted on 06/28/2015 6:14:34 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: caseinpoint

“We are a nation of laws or we are chaos.”

I think that is the whole plot and plan of the ruling elites. Create the chaos, and the masses come running to them for the solution... usually giving them even more power.


24 posted on 06/28/2015 7:04:39 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

“”Surprisingly stupid argument from Cruz. I would wholeheartedly agree that States should push back and tell the Federal Goverment to go pound sand. Why should we involve a clerk of the court. Did someone catch him at Happy Hour?””

Have to agree. How many people would agree that a muslim clerk had the right to refuse to sell alcohol because they didn’t think people should have alcohol or a muslim taxi driver refusing to pick up passengers who had shopping bags of alcohol or refuse passengers who were intoxicated? Have seen plenty of freepers condemning such behavior! So this suggestion by Cruz is nonsense.


25 posted on 06/28/2015 7:34:09 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Hugin

Talking more liberal stuff?

None of the further-left RINO candidates could win.

It’s ultimately up to God who wins, not the media.


26 posted on 06/28/2015 9:48:21 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: caseinpoint

The POTUS is supposed to follow the law as it exists too; same with the SCOTUS and COTUS. So what happened there?


27 posted on 06/28/2015 9:49:41 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: TEXOKIE

And of course more chaos ensues.


28 posted on 06/28/2015 9:50:18 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Lol! Indeed.


29 posted on 06/28/2015 11:15:01 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Leep

I agree that a replacement would follow the law. So someone has lost a job and pension, no light thing in this economy but then the Lord never promised it was easy to follow Him.


30 posted on 06/28/2015 1:11:55 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Olog-hai
Talking more liberal stuff?

Nope just a prediction based on six decades of experience. That's neither liberal or conservative, just realistic. In any case we'll see.

31 posted on 06/28/2015 2:02:54 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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To: Hugin

Marxists like to talk of “experience” too. That’s their substitute for faith. Enough of them believe that their “experience” dictates to them that all laws are granted by government, for example—I had a few words with such people on Disqus of late.

I absolutely agree that we will see. From my perspective, it’ll be a measure of the faith of the people of the US.


32 posted on 06/28/2015 3:23:27 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Hugin

“Laws” was supposed to be “rights”. By that I meant that Marxists really have no concept of natural rights.


33 posted on 06/28/2015 3:24:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Marxists also use the words “a” and “the” a lot.


34 posted on 06/28/2015 4:12:46 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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To: Olog-hai; Kale; Jarhead9297; COUNTrecount; notaliberal; DoughtyOne; MountainDad; aposiopetic; ...
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35 posted on 06/28/2015 4:31:12 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Ted has really come back into the Presidential Candidate forefront this weekend with his firm stand against this lawlessness.

Anyone wanting to hear a GREAT MESSAGE from a pastor today on this subject ( MENTIONED TED CRUZ) listen to this message. He came out in a black robe and stood tall...

http://www.calvarycch.org/media_center.php?audio=1&p=JHX&s=389


36 posted on 06/28/2015 5:13:50 PM PDT by pollywog ( " O thou who changest not....ABIDE with me")
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37 posted on 06/28/2015 7:10:53 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Olog-hai

Can’t help but think that Cruz, Gov.Abbott, and TX AG-Paxton are hoping someone sues TX for a clerk’s refusal for religious reasons. Sounds to me like it would be a good SCOTUS battle to have for the 1st Amendment. ;-)


38 posted on 06/28/2015 7:15:28 PM PDT by GlockLady
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To: GlockLady; Olog-hai; All

It’s not just Texas where this is going to be an issue.

Here are three articles about a deputy clerk in my county (first from a conservative Christian magazine, then a response from a liberal organization, and then the Christian magazine editor’s response with links to other coverage).

http://www.worldmag.com/2015/04/a_clerks_struggle

https://www.au.org/blogs/wall-of-separation/clerk-s-conundrum-mo-official-says-she-will-not-issue-marriage-licenses-to

http://www.worldmag.com/2015/04/americans_united_for_firing_christians

This could blow up in our county soon. A homosexual couple tried to get a marriage license on Friday in our county and was denied. We’ll see what happens Monday.

Our state governor is a Democrat who (if media reports are correct) has told our state’s circuit court clerks to issue gay marriage licenses. That means our clerks cannot expect the protections which a Texas clerk may have.

Personally I’m conflicted on this issue. The clerks are administrative officials; I’m not at all sure we want them making policy or refusing to enforce laws. I sympathize with the argument that a Mennonite or Quaker clerk might refuse to issue gun permits, or a Muslim clerk might refuse to issue a liquor license. The difference is that in those cases, the voters would probably throw the clerk out of office in most counties. In our county, I have little doubt that a clerk who ran on a “no gay marriage” platform could win by a landslide.

To make matters more complicated, the supervisor of the deputy clerk profiled in this article is a conservative Democrat who has served for years, generally got re-elected by large margins, just last November won re-election by a large majority over a Republican, and was almost the only local Democrat to win last fall. I have no idea what she will do beyond defending her staff’s religious convictions. The elected circuit court clerk is herself a Southern Baptist, for whatever it may be worth, and many of her deputy clerks are evangelicals.

My guess is that sooner or later one of the deputy clerks in our county will agree to do the paperwork, but it may take some time to find one willing to do so.


39 posted on 06/28/2015 11:03:34 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

The clerks are administrative officials; I’m not at all sure we want them making policy or refusing to enforce laws …
The Supreme Court is better at that?

Ever heard of Tacitus’ observation, “Laws were most numerous when the state was most corrupt”?
40 posted on 06/29/2015 12:09:11 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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