Posted on 06/25/2015 12:39:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg
DETROIT (WDIV) -- The Detroit fire commissioner has fired an EMT who refused to help a baby when she was just minutes away from the home.
Commissioner Edsel Jenkins said Ann Marie Thomas's employment with the Detroit Fire Department has been terminated.
"Today, we conducted an appeals hearing, which Ms. Thomas requested. After reviewing all of the facts of this incident, I have determined that the appropriate course of action is to terminate Ms. Thomas' employment with the Detroit Fire Department effective immediately," said Jenkins in a statement released Wednesday.
A frantic supervisor ordered the veteran medic to get to the house where a baby was not breathing and her mother was calling for help. Thomas was just around the corner on her pervious run a few streets east. She refused to respond to the scene.
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Earlier she had said that she knew someone was closer, around the block on Pembroke. I thought at first maybe she was thinking that that EMT could get there faster and she would follow up. Apparently not, according to her further remarks. What a poor excuse for a human being. That poor mother - I can’t imagine being in that position, trying to save your child’s life by performing CPR for 10 min. while thinking the ambulance was on the way.
Someone else alluded to there being an Islamic component to this.
I don’t know what the exact dynamics of that were.
I don’t know the exact reason she made that comment.
I would like to know.
She may be every bit as much a slug as I am inclined to think, but I would like to know.
Are there instances in that area where EMTs have been placed at extreme risk because they responded to an Islamic home?
Perhaps not, and this is a ruse. If it’s not a ruse, I don’t want to trash someone if they may have had a valid reason for doing what they did.
My fist inclination would be to respond, but if a friend or co-worker had been hurt at such a location because if Islamic bias, I can certainly see the reason to critically assess beyond the superficial.
If she were just going off-duty, it would be bad, but not this bad. She needs a new, lower paying line of work.
What goes around comes around. - She will answer in that “great gettin’ up morning”, as we all will.
In England it is common not to help. The fire dept is not allowed to do rescues of people drowning because they are not water rescue people or an ambulance sees a person is on a death list so they deliberately do not arrive.
Google death list, Daily Mail
“Depending on why she stopped breathing, there may have been little they could really do to keep her alive, so that would play into the negligence.”
A buddy of mine started off as a volunteer firefighter, and his now the fire chief of a large suburban department. He said it was always hard going on a call for a heart-attack or something if the person had not already been getting CPR by a family member or someone. It was very rare that they would survive if the first person to give them CPR was the responder.
He said often the people were probably already dead, but they would do CPR until the aid car came, put them in the van and medic would continue the treatment to the hospital, and let the doctors declare the patient dead.
One -You never know - maybe you DID get there in time.
Two - let the medical professional make the expert decision.
Three - you don’t have to explain to the grieving family member that their loved one has died.
Several times they would get calls with the person found unresponsive in bed. Stone cold. But they would go through the motions - mainly for the third reason.
So I don't know what she meant by saying those people. I thought she just meant you know how those frantic mothers can be.
Don’t bother. Journalists are im-pervious to criticism.
I have never performed CPR when it was obvious, ie cold, rigor, liver mortis... I always tell the family the truth, I never lie or sugar coat. One thing they deserve is honesty. It’s hard enough, no point in making it harder. I have had plenty of bad calls. Last year we had lots of young deaths from heroin. If he was witnessed going down, then we did it all all the way to the ER. Children are the worse. Tough to get past the death of a child. Lots of EMTs hang it up after that. Too hard. That is why this cold hearted bitch deserves more than to just lose her job. I know of NO EMTs who would do that. None. Not. A. One. She is a special kind of sicko.
“Children are the worse. Tough to get past the death of a child.”
My buddy was saying how emergency responders die at younger ages. And he is doing stuff to study it and prevent it. Better training, counseling, etc.
“Just running an errand and every block brings back the memory of a kid hit by a bike over there, the heart-attack over there, the flaming car wreck at the light - it takes a toll. The kids are the worst.”
I have ten years in and am taking it one day at a time.
God bless you and keep you safe. For my buddy he said he hated the medical calls - but fighting fires made it worth it! (I think they all are a bit crazy like that!)
Perhaps she will at some point require....the assistance of an EMT....with the same sort of SNOTTY stupid FOULD self absorbed Attitude....be denied help....and just by the skin of her teeth pull through.....and experience SHAME....over her wasted life!!!??
Thank you for your insight. It looks like that’s not the problem then. As such, I’m not sure she had any reason whatsoever not to respond to this emergency.
I will tell you, I couldn’t not show up if I got the call. As an emergency services individual, you have to show up if a life is on the line.
That’s my take as of now. As more information becomes available, I might gain a different understanding.
Once again. Thanks.
ping
Thanks for the confirmation.
That's how it sounds, especially when she said, "You know how these families get." And the news report says she wanted to wait for someone else.
But, if she was afraid, she shouldn't have been an EMT.
This does make me wonder now... Where I live, I've called 911 twice for a medical emergencies. Both times, the police arrived first before the paramedics. That seems to be the policy. Now I'm wondering if it's policy for the protection of the EMTs. What would happen if the police car didn't arrive first?
Don’t want no job I want a pay check.
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