Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Jefferson Memorial, Confederate statues enter national race debate
LA Times ^ | 6/24/15 | David NG

Posted on 06/25/2015 7:23:58 AM PDT by illiac

he Thomas Jefferson Memorial, which has stood near the banks of the Potomac River in Washington for more than 70 years, is a classical tribute to the author of the Declaration of Independence and the third U.S. president..

This week, the Jefferson Memorial was drawn into the national debate about race following the shooting deaths of nine people in a predominantly black church in South Carolina last week. It joins other public statues depicting Southern or Confederate figures, including Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, that some are arguing represent the country's racist past and should be removed.

CNN anchor Ashleigh Banfield this week questioned whether the Jefferson Memorial should be taken down because Jefferson owned slaves. "There is a monument to him in the capital city of the United States. No one ever asks for that to come down," Banfield said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: constitution; freedom; liberalfascism; memorials; monuments; presidents; statues
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-40 last
To: illiac

21 posted on 06/25/2015 7:48:00 AM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: illiac

Just bulldoze DC into the Potomac and all the memorials..

The Left would applaud..

The rest of US can just take it..

Transformation isn’t for the squeamish, yaknow.


22 posted on 06/25/2015 7:48:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dragonblustar

The tables need to be turned. Consider having Ashley Madison using a commercial stating if Martin Luther King would have used them, his dalliances could have remained unnoticed. I am offended that we have a holiday named for a man that had the morals of an ally cat and intellectually stole his doctoral thesis and speeches text without giving the original writers credit. In academic circles plagiarism is tantamount to murder or robbery.


23 posted on 06/25/2015 7:48:55 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: illiac

George Washington is next on the hit list and when that happens it’s going to get very ugly.


24 posted on 06/25/2015 7:52:43 AM PDT by dowcaet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PalmettoMason
>>How long before my Southern accent is determined to be “Hate Speech”?

How long before talking at all is determined to be "Hate Speech".


25 posted on 06/25/2015 7:53:56 AM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: gorush

Those quotes are mostly made up.


26 posted on 06/25/2015 7:57:02 AM PDT by FewsOrange
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: sasquatch

No friend you got that wrong. Ol George was a slaveowner so we’re gonna have to rename the nation’s capital and that state above Oregon. The left is going to remove all traces of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and others from public usage and display. Yes, it all seems like a bad dream, but unfortunately the evil forces of the left are unleashing the nightmare on the American people.


27 posted on 06/25/2015 7:58:54 AM PDT by dowcaet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: illiac
CNN anchor Ashleigh Banfield this week questioned whether the Jefferson Memorial should be taken down because Jefferson owned slaves.

Beyond ASSANINE...just like most of the stuff on the Communist News Network. George Washington owned slaves. Are we going to change to "The Peanut Butter Monument"? or "Pine Tree, D.C."? How about the city of Spokane, State of Tuna? All this MEGA BS is enough to make a Saint sick!!

28 posted on 06/25/2015 7:59:00 AM PDT by GoldenPup
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dowcaet

George Washington is next on the hit list and when that happens it’s going to get very ugly.

Compasses, Broken;  2 each.

29 posted on 06/25/2015 8:01:37 AM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: stars & stripes forever
This IS NOT about Thomas Jefferson Monument, it is about the inscriptions on the panels. Everyone who loves liberty should defend it.
 
Yep.
 
 
 
 
 

30 posted on 06/25/2015 8:05:38 AM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: armydawg505

WV has a problem with the former Kleagle and Grand Cyclops of the KKK Sen.Robert Byrd. There are several dozen things named for him in the state. He like that great progressive from the south Woodrow Wilson who instituted segregation will get a pass because the are democrats, the rules do not apply to them.


31 posted on 06/25/2015 8:11:54 AM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: illiac

“History is written by those who have hanged heroes.”


32 posted on 06/25/2015 8:56:42 AM PDT by sheworelemon (A lack of compassion is as vulgar as an excess of tears.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: illiac

Reparations for slavery?
When a black woman is one of the richest people in America?
When a black man was Secretary of State??
When a black woman was Secretary of State?
When black men have sat — and do sit — on the Supreme Court??
When a black would-be despot sits in the White House?????
When countless black men have risen to the top of the ranks of the richest in professional sports and show business?? Men like Hank Aaron. And until the recent allegations of sexual misconduct, men like Bill Cosby who, despite his support for Obama, spoke out against the cultural rot and violence among his black brethren causing the race pimps to call him either an Uncle Tom or Oreo Cookie.)
And, how about Liberation Theology?
Liberation from WHAT? The chance to achieve and succeed??
Give me a break!!
Let me make it clear right up front: I am NOT a racist. I supported Herman Cain in his run for the Senate and supported him in his run for the WH. And if Allen West or Dr. Carson (need some clarification of Dr. Carson’s position on the Second Amendment) go for it, they, too, have my support.
I also consider Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams two of the finest economists and minds extant today. In case you don’t know them, both are black.
Sowell, Williams and Cain – among others — have spoken out against those fellow blacks who castigate and vilify America for a slavery now long in our past. And ALL thinking men and women oppose the periodic calls for reparations. (When he ran, I supported Alan Keyes. I even spoke in his stead on the RTKABA at a Capitol rally and was asked to fill in for him on his radio show at the time. Sadly, while I still consider Alan a good man, I have had to rethink my support since he came out FOR reparations.)
The fact is that the modern descendants of slaves brought here in chains in admittedly miserable, soul-gutting conditions now calling for reparations need to remember something:
They should not only be glad to be in America, they should be glad to be ANYWHERE!
Had their ancestors NOT been brought OUT of Africa – many by MUSLIM slave raiders —the blood of those ancestors would have run into the earth over there several centuries ago, victims of the OTHER black tribes that captured them in one of the interminable tribal conflicts STILL ravaging that sad continent and these modern day would-be “plaintiffs” would not even exist.
And I would remind you that slavery is STILL practiced in parts of Africa (mainly by – American BLACK MUSLIMS LISTEN UP!! — MUSLIMS), the Middle East and Asia today. How ironic that disgruntled American blacks are embracing a system that participated mightily in their initial bondage – and would, if Islam takes root here, probably put any who cling to their Christianity back INTO BONDAGE – or to the sword. In fact, as the majority of muslims consider black folks as “sub-human”, many of you black muzzies will get the axe.
95% of the African slaves who were transported across the Atlantic went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions, and that less than 5% of the slaves who crossed the Atlantic went to the United States, it was remarkable that the vast majority of academic research, films, books and articles concerning the slave trade concentrated only on the American involvement, as though slavery was a uniquely American aberration.
And should the great-great-great grandchildren of SLAVE OWNING BLACKS also be subject to PAYING these reparations? If so, how do we find THEM?
And I have traced MY family back to the SLAVS. Although the term looks to be related to “slave,” depending on your source, it either means “glory” or “worshipper.” But my family research indicates that many of my ancestors LIVED lives of virtual or real slavery to some despot or other. Do I qualify for reparations? From whom?? And it begs a question: Are most of us now living here headed into a modern form of that servitude? But that – and the slave history of the Irish, the heritage of both myself and my wife – is a topic for another discussion.
The official US Census of 1830 lists 3,775 free blacks who owned 12,740 black slaves. Furthermore, the story outlines the history of slavery here, and the first slave owner, the Father of American slavery, was Mr Anthony Johnson, of Northampton, Virginia. His slave was John Casor, the first slave for life. Both were black Africans. The story is very readable, and outlines cases of free black women owning their husbands, free black parents selling their children into slavery to white owners, and absentee free black slave owners, who leased their slaves to plantation owners.
-”Selling Poor Steven”, American Heritage Magazine, Feb/Mar 1993 (Vol. 441) p 90
Of course, a full telling of Black History would not be complete without a recitation of the origin of slavery in the Virginia colony:
Virginia, Guide to The Old Dominion, WPA Writers’ Program, Oxford University Press, NY, 1940, p. 378
A few more salient points on the subject:Until the US declared independence, the Colonies were REQUIRED by the King of England to embrace slavery.
The Northwest Ordinance (1789) prohibited slavery in federal territories.
A law prohibiting the importation of slaves into the US became effective in 1808.
Beginning in 1820, the Democratic Congress started passing laws allowing and encouraging slavery.
It was only after the Republican Party (many of whom were southern Blacks) was formed some 40 years later that the anti-slavery movement was able to move forward.
And the holier-than-thou Northern liberals are strangely silent on recent archeological evidence from NEW YORK CITY clearly tracing the financing of the slave trade to NORTHERN BUSINESSMEN!!
At the height of his remarkable boxing career, Muhammad Ali (born Cassius Clay), once declared, “I’m glad my great-grandpa got on that boat.”
And speaking of ancestors, my paternal grandmother’s daddy, William Henry Robinson, joined with the 80th Ohio Volunteer Infantry early in the War Between the States (re-upped twice) and fought on the Union side at Vicksburg, Jackson and elsewhere in the deep South then joined up with Sherman for that infamous march to the sea through Georgia. My wife’s great-great grandpappy ALSO fought for the Union. While I revere the memory of my ancestors, inasmuch as that conflict was less about slavery than it was the economic exploitation and abuse of the South by the North, I fear they MAY have been on the wrong side.
Author Robert Hitt Neill tells of attending a Tennessee Mountain Writer’s Conference years ago with several other authors. Among them was Alex Hailey, celebrated author of “Roots.” Watching a TV news show, a group of them watched a demonstration in a Southern state against the “Rebel” flag incorporated into that state’s flag. The very next report covered a famine in Africa. Graphic images showed dead bodies, starving children with distended tummies and runny noses and dying people covered with flies, too weak to brush them away.
Mr. Hailey intoned in a low, serious voice, “Every time an American black sees a story like that, they should find a Confederate flag and kiss it.” He then pointed to the TV screen and continued, “Because these would be me and my descendants, except for American slavery. I thank God that my family and I are here instead of there.”
Next problem!
Dick Bachert
AFTERWORD:
A brief review of the FACTS on the subject:
Until the US declared independence, we were required by the King of England to embrace slavery.
The Northwest Ordinance (1789) prohibited slavery in federal territories.
A law prohibiting the importation of slaves into the US became effective in 1808.
Beginning in 1820, the Democratic Congress started passing laws allowing and encouraging slavery.
It was only after the Republican Party (many of whom were southern Blacks) was formed some 40 years later that the anti-slavery movement was able to move forward.


33 posted on 06/25/2015 9:01:55 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dick Bachert

“The fact is that the modern descendants of slaves brought here in chains in admittedly miserable, soul-gutting conditions now calling for reparations need to remember something”.

How about those Irish slaves? Where’s my rape-a-nations!


34 posted on 06/25/2015 9:04:12 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: illiac
America is sinking fast....

It like standing on river ice that is rotting out from under us in the Spring.

35 posted on 06/25/2015 9:29:06 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate. [URL=http://media.photobucket.com/user/currencyjunkie/me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: illiac

If the Confederate Flag, Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Thomas Jefferson have to go, then so do all of the slavery lovers in Arlington National Cemetary should be dig up and thrown in the trash too.

Arlington was Robert E. Lee’s residence, and was picked as a burial site because of it. Anybody buried there is automatically a slavery-supporter because of their burial location; therefore they should be exhumed and dumped into a landfill along with other trash.

</sarcasm>


36 posted on 06/25/2015 9:33:57 AM PDT by angryoldfatman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dowcaet

Buy your flag here.

http://southernprideflagco.com/


37 posted on 06/25/2015 12:47:46 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: illiac
I'm going to say this, white liberals are coming up with all of this crap, not us. Most black people (me included) don't care about this stuff! I'm not a big fan of the confederate flag but I would not say anything to anyone that was flying it, it's their constitutional right to fly it! Just like it's my right not to like it!

The Jefferson memorial attacks started with white liberals and the race hucksters took it and ran with it.
38 posted on 06/25/2015 12:55:34 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Texas Conservative Christian *born again believer in Jesus Christ* Black Man!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HLPhat

While Jefferson lived, he owned a total of nearly 700 slaves over his lifetime. It is true that after his death, the slaves at Monticello and other Jefferson estates were sold to repay nearly $100,000 in debts.


39 posted on 06/25/2015 4:43:07 PM PDT by X Fretensis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: X Fretensis

“Jefferson acquired most of the over six hundred slaves he owned during his life through the natural increase of enslaved families. He acquired approximately 175 slaves through inheritance: about 40 from the estate of his father, Peter Jefferson, in 1764, and 135 from his father-in-law, John Wayles, in 1774.”
http://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/property


40 posted on 06/25/2015 7:38:14 PM PDT by HLPhat (This space is intentionally blank.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-40 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson