Posted on 06/24/2015 2:35:48 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
Former Virginia senator and potential Democratic presidential candidate Jim Webb weighed in on the Confederate flag debate on Wednesday, urging careful consideration of both sides of the historical argument.
“This is an emotional time and we all need to think through these issues with a care that recognizes the need for change but also respects the complicated history of the Civil War. The Confederate Battle Flag has wrongly been used for racist and other purposes in recent decades. It should not be used in any way as a political symbol that divides us,” Webb wrote in a Facebook post.
Americans should remember that people on both sides fought honorably, Webb said, “including slave holders in the Union Army from states such as Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware, and that many non-slave holders fought for the South.”
“It was in recognition of the character of soldiers on both sides that the federal government authorized the construction of the Confederate Memorial 100 years ago, on the grounds of Arlington National Cemetery,” he wrote. . .
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“Bring out the Gimp!”
POLITICO uses a perv to smear southerners, what a surprise.
Northerners were concerned that slave owners were going to spread slavery into the territories and even into the Northern states (Dred Scot decision). They thought they were fighting for the country as it was.
Northerners for the most were indifferent until they were told the cotton they once got from the south was going to Britain and France. A lot of jobs in New England and New Jersey would be lost. They were also told the goods they manufactured would not compete well in the south if the tariffs were reduced. That threatened foundries, machine shops, textile mills and many other “protected” industries. The south was equivalent to a colony for the north: a source of cheap raw materials and a captive market for high-priced goods.
Slavery was very much confined to the south and was a dying institution. Most countries outlawed slavery without a civil war and many did not act until after our civil war.
If true, why would the South not sell cotton to the Northern states? They got the same price regardless.
Most countries outlawed slavery without a civil war and many did not act until after our civil war.
Most did. So why did the Southern states go and launch a civil war to protect slavery? Especially if it was a dying institution and all.
It wasn't all about economics. The 1850s were a time of great agitation about slavery. And even Northerners who didn't want emancipation were riled up by the assault on the flag. Things like that mattered back then.
The south was equivalent to a colony for the north: a source of cheap raw materials and a captive market for high-priced goods.
There were Southerners who were essentially self-sufficient. They lived on their farms and fed their families and didn't contribute much to the greater economy or take much from it.
Then there were wealthy plantation owners who did produce a lot of cotton (or their slaves did) and got a lot of money for it. Looking back it's hard to get too bent out of shape about whatever grievances they may have had.
Most White Southerners fit in somewhere in between. The 1850s were a prosperous time for the cotton market. One shouldn't assume that it was like the later 19th and early 20th century when everybody poor and struggling and exploited.
Slavery was very much confined to the south and was a dying institution.
But you couldn't see that at the time. Mechanization didn't fully take over until the 1940s or so. Nobody could say how long slavery would last.
The tearing apart came from Whig factions including Lincoln who thought helping Texas gain freedom from Mexico as well as the American/Mexican war was a bad idea. Lincoln's ideals would still have the SW USA still under Mexico. Yet he had no qualms about starting a brother against brother war? Honest Abe's history is the likely least known and taught all you hear is "HE" freed the slaves. Honest Abe wanted them back in Africa at the end of the CW.
I'll tell you what some of the descendants of persons brought here from Africa as slaves both by slave traders both here and there {Their own people in Africa} have played the "Race" card and the "Victim" cards to the point of extreme. Not all, not even a majority, but the only ones politicans and media speak of as "The Voice". OK So were or are they the most persecuted race in mans history? NO! It was a small sand pebble in history of mankind.
What race has faced much harsher slavery, adversity, persecutions, and even several holocaust in history? What is the race the nation of Islam, many so called Reverends and their race baiting money grabbing pimps, hate them as well? I'm talking about the long standing hate of the sons of Israel the media ignores or worse blames for all the worlds woes.
The Jewish people were and still are are the most persecuted race in history yet where is their crying and saying victim this and that crap? You don't hear it. Why? Because they chose to pick themselves up and make a better life despite any prejudices which BTW have been here longer then the Civil War. They were not even repaid for the funding of the American Revolution. Do you see them rioting? They don't go and burn down innocents life work down, stealing and saying "Gimme Dat" my someone was a slave and you owe me. Worse yet the ones who are Honorable Hard Working Law Abiding Black Americans GOD Bless Them who have called for personal responsibility and accountability among black and whites alike are called Uncle Toms by the keep all blacks in poverty & beholding to their own racist leaders race baiting plantation owning poverty pimps of today.
Until "We The People" say enough is enough of this Cultural Marxist crap being used by Liberal Marxist in education, government, and media, to obviously try and touch off a CW 2 scenario and the Martial Law it will bring upon us all, it won't get better. I'm sick and tired of their "RACE CARD" being their excuse for not making honest efforts to better their own darn lives and destroying the hard work of others and nobody care in government. Anyone with some ambition and education can become what they wish but it takes personal effort to do so.
I have voted several elections for a black American for POTUS in the GOP primaries who was right on target with addressing what's wrong with this nation. The Stinking Slave Freeing GOP would not even allow him to speak at the Conventions nor address his delegates. So much for Mr Lincoln's Freedom Oligarchy Party. Alan Keyes was bashed by media and GOP alike. I would have loved to have seen Keyes as POTUS.
The south fought an honorable battle for an honorable cause to preserve the Founding Fathers intent for our nations future and the CW wasn't by any means simply all about slavery as the Marxist re-written history books post 1930's have made it out to be. Had the south won slavery would have still ended in all forms that still existed after the Civil War in north and south and the pathway for tyrants after Lincoln like FDR, LBJ, and Resident's, Abuse of Powers seen today would have been stopped & not have allowed such an unconstitutional consolidation and expansion of Executive Powers of Abuse & Tyranny we all live under today.
The Founding Fathers did not intend for us to live under Executive Powers of any elected Kings Decree. Lincoln helped start us on that course. What really takes the cake is the labeling all who sided with the CSA cause then and now as being pro-slavery racist.
If Britain and France could sell their goods in the south without the penalty of the tariff, they would compete with the north and in the long be willing to pay higher prices. It’s simple trade and those that sell are the ones who buy. You missed the point however - cotton was picked by slaves - where was the “Northern” outrage? Did I miss the northern boycott of southern cotton?
Your second comment misses the point that is being made that the south did not fight to protect slavery. It is a common charge you make but it is false.
I thought Webb’s book Born Fighting was very good and pretty accurate in its depiction of the South and how Scots Irish values shaped the Southern character. I can’t tell you how many times I said “How is this guy a Democrat?” as I read it.
Not a fan but damn, it’s about time someone gets it right..
And he has to be a demonRAT....
the point of the confed flag is
THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN...
got it
The Pierce and Buchanan administrations were both pro-South. The Supreme Court was pro-Southern and declared the Missouri Compromise unconstitutional, this along with the inability of slave-owners to control Kansas, broke the sectional truce that began in 1850. But it was the hysterical Southern reaction to John Brown’s raid that led to secession. Not that this fears were totally misplaced. There was a huge store of arms at Harper’s Ferry. If the raid had been conducted by someone not so totally incompetent as Brown, the radicals could have caused havoc.
I think he’s misguided in other areas but has this right..
I grew up with my southern relatives saying “I declare..” And “to beat the band”...which is distinctively Scotch-Irish...
” As long as the South was dominant in running the Federal government, they were happy”
When exactly was that??
“It was only when they lost the election of 1860 that they rebelled.”
You don’t know history. Seriously, read a book, and not a public school book. A real book on history.
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Tariffs were said to be the complaint of the southern states but th e laws were changed in favor of the south before Lincoln’s election.
When the border states refused to join their complaint was lost.
They chose war
The same was true of Northern consumers. But how did that impact cotton supplies?
Your second comment misses the point that is being made that the south did not fight to protect slavery. It is a common charge you make but it is false.
Did someone tell the Southern leaders of the time? Because they all seem to think it was for slavery.
It was the extremely rare confederate soldier that had a slave even one of them..
WHat would make all these people join the C.army except for state rights?..
A conversation I have never HEARD.. the civil war CAUSED rogue central givernment..
Since the civil war the federal givernment TOOK OVER.. performed a coup..
States became meaningless.. just territories for federal revenue..
By golly, I didn’t realize a simple lesson in economics might be required to explain southern concerns over tariffs. There are plenty of good sources concerning tariff issues between 1830 and 1860.
Would you care to quote a southern leader that said the war was all about slavery? How about a general, or plain old ordinary soldier? How about quoting a black Confederate soldier?
Consider this as well. A civil war is about taking control of government. Look at Rome, Spain and many other examples. The American Civil War is misnamed, but I would expect the victors would have it their way with history and facts be damned. The all-powerful federal government, or as its defenders would say, “we just wanted to preserve the union.”
Yep...me too.
This is why I became a Redskins fan. It would help if they would win a game or 2. :)
Punks like you embolden the left and the purge that is going on. I hope you are happy. I would spit in your face if I could, but you are not worth it.
A real Southerner might pray for a twisted soul like yours.
Hardly an honorable goal?
Really?
Defending one’s homeland from the invasion of northern states?
How is that not honorable?
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