Posted on 06/21/2015 4:34:25 PM PDT by bestintxas
Republican strategist Karl Rove said on “Fox News Sunday” the only way to stop gun-related violence, like the Wednesday massacre at Emmanuel African Methodist Church in Charleston S.C., was to repeal American citizens’ Second Amendment rights. When Chris Wallace asked Rove how we can, “stop the violence,” the long-time gun-rights advocate stated that we have made great strides as a nation in empathizing with the victims of these types of shootings, but the only way to guarantee they will stop is to “remove guns from society.”
WALLACE: How do we stop the violence?
ROVE: I wish I had an easy answer for that, but I don’t think there’s an easy answer
We saw an act of evil. Racist, bigoted evil, and to me the amazing thing is that it was met with grief and love. Think about how far we’ve come since 1963. The whole weight of the government throughout the South was to impede finding and holding and bringing to justice the men who perpetrated the [Birmingham] bombing.
And here, we saw an entire state, an entire community, an entire nation come together, grieving as one and united in the belief that this was an evil act, so we’ve come a long way.
Now maybe there’s some magic law that will keep us from having more of these. I mean basically the only way to guarantee that we will dramatically reduce acts of violence involving guns is to basically remove guns from society, and until somebody gets enough “oomph” to repeal the Second Amendment, that’s not going to happen.
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“I’m no fan of Rove, but this is a misrepresentation of what he actually said.”
No, he actually said that repealing the 2nd Amendment might be the place to start in reducing violence.
even bringing up taking away what our forefathers fought and died to obtain in abhorrent to any conservative.
The koolaid he has drunk over the years is disturbing to any conservative. His mind is twisted to even think that this might be the way to go.
“He qualified his answer, saying repeal wasn’t the answer and this evil, Devil Worshippin, Satanic Inspired, Murderer was giving plenty of signals that no one paid attention to.
I’m giving this tub of lard a pass, as I think the article mis-characterises what he said in total and context...”
No, he said that, although he would not support it, gun violence could be reduced by repealing the 2nd Amendment.
That is akin to saying that, although he wouldn’t support it, killing all blacks will reduce racial problems in the future.
See what he is saying? Why bring up something that is not supportable?
The way to say it is like this: “We know that taking awaay the 2nd Amendment is not a solution to gun violence.”
You're two-thirds right; 2 in 3 murder cases get solved, because laws against real crimes with actual victims are inherently easier to enforce than laws against 'crimes' all of whose participants are willing, such as gun 'crimes' and drug 'crimes.'
“Repealing the Second Amendment won’t prevent gun misuse any more than outlawing heroin prevents heroin misuse or outlawing murder prevents murder.”
Rove did not claim that repeal of the 2nd Amendment would prevent gun violence. He said that in order to remove all guns from society, you would have to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Rove also said that no one had the “oomph” to repeal, therefore it is impossible to remove all guns from society.
Out here in very rural northwest Illinois, all of my neighbors are armed to the teeth and no one can remember a shooting incident harming anyone other than coyotes and deer. Those animals are not armed. One group are predators and the other (the deer) are tasty.
Whether here or in Chicago, when seconds count, the police will be there in minutes to document but not prevent the carnage. As it was 150 years ago, we trust in government for protection in vain.
BTW, the reputation for violence of the American Old West is greatly exaggerated by Hollywood. Whatever violence afflicted early modern Europe, the disarming of the European public and the emasculation of its men gave us Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, et al. The death toll rose dramatically and not just among the equivalent of our gangbangers. Artists, musicians, teachers, small business people, children, old folks and just plain innocent people were victimized.
In our country, before it is too late, we could use a man (or many of them) like Stonewall Jackson (or Enrique Gorostieta) again. It would also be nice if a code of honor like Japanese Bushido might spread among our upper middle class.
Finally, while William Quantrill, Bill Anderson, Jesse, Frank and Cole roamed the lower Midwest, they targeted those worth targeting on behalf of an otherwise helpless public. You may not care for their politics but their neighbors in the Ozarks did. If you want to bring up the massacre of the abolitionist men in Kansas, then simultaneously you should defend John Brown and his slaughter by machete of Southerners living in Kansas.
It was Illinois which produced Wild Bill Hickok and the Earp brothers among others. Some Earp family members attended my very traditional Catholic Church before shaking Illinois off their boots and moving to Idaho.
Also, without an armed populace, how DO we resist the Pinkertons?
If Chatty Cathy does that, it will be a LOT longer before actual Catholics lose their guns, if ever. May God send us a Catholic pope and SOON.
Face facts. Tokyo Rove is of a political class that feels a deep sense of embarrassment that the GOP base cares about babies, marriage, guns, manly foreign and military policy, etc., when Rove and his ilk want the issues to be globalization, fattening corporate bottom lines and a New World Order in which that messy American sovereignty will just disappear in favor of the peasants being ruled by their “betters.” He is the Alexander Hamilton of our time without the military background or the first rate mind (in Hamilton’s case put to perverted sucking up to the wealthy purposes with which Rove agrees but he does not share Hamilton’s talent).
Criminals will stop killing each other when they have already killed one another! The process and the purpose are meritorious. Do you honestly believe that our society would suffer if all the gangbangers killed one another until none were left? Even if a social worker or two might also go down?
He did imply that to do so would reduce violence, which implies a benefit to doing so, is false, and is un-American. The statement will be used by the left and he was dumb enough to give it to them. Rove is therefore undeserving of your defense.
“He did imply that to do so would reduce violence, which implies a benefit to doing so, is false, and is un-American. The statement will be used by the left and he was dumb enough to give it to them. Rove is therefore undeserving of your defense.”
That’s a complete misrepresentation of what was said. Rove clearly limited his comments to gun violence and just as clearly reducing gun violence could result in an increase in violence without guns.
The left will misrepresent any statement made by any one if it advances their agenda. It doesn’t help if conservatives act like the left.
Rove is therefore undeserving of your attacks.
I agree the rep for violence of the West is overstated. I am always particularly amused by the trope of the townsfolk cowering in fear of two or three gunthugs. Probably a majority of the men running around the Old West had fought in the WBTS, and I find it hysterical that men who held the line a Antietam or Gettysburg hide in terror from a few bad guys.
The more common scenario when somebody tried it was Northfield, MN or Coffeyville, KS.
The 20th century was more violent in total killings than probably any previous, but it’s way back in the pack as a percentage of the population killed. For instance in the 30 Year’s War of the 20th, WWI and WWII, Germany lost somehwhere around 15% of its population. Roughly 12M.
In the original and still champion 30 Years War, they lost 25% to 35%.
Believe it or not, civilians died at much higher rates during the old time wars than in those of the 20th century.
I suspect but do not know that the Dalton Gang, most of whom were killed trying to rob two banks at Coffeyville, Kansas, were simply criminals who wanted to fill their pockets. The James-Younger Gang were Confederate guerrilas who robbed banks and trains for the cause and were the successors of William Quantrill and Bloody Bill Anderson.
Jesse, Frank and Cole are revered to this day more than a century after their deaths. Not so as to the Daltons.
God bless you and yours!
WHAT?! Rove must be an idiot to answer the question like that.
Thanks for the courteous reply. You present a scenario I’ve never seen before, that the resistance to the raiders was an ambush. I’ve always seen it described as the spontaneous response of heroic ordinary townsfolk.
I’m willing to be convinced otherwise, but you’ll need to come up with some evidence.
BTW, while I grew up in James country, I don’t buy their image as heroic defenders of the oppressed. Most of the banks they robbed weren’t part of the national banking system oppressors, they were simply local banks. IOW, they were stealing directly from the local people.
Does anybody know if this is actually true? If it is, trying to protect cowards who blew up little girls, it's pretty shameful.
Disagree there.
Rove clearly limited his comments to gun violence and just as clearly reducing gun violence could result in an increase in violence without guns.
Which were baseless in fact. 'Getting rid of guns' would work no better than getting rid of illegal drugs; it would INCREASE gun violence.
The left will misrepresent any statement made by any one if it advances their agenda. It doesn’t help if conservatives act like the left.
To feed them witlessly is unworthy of anyone calling himself a political professional.
Rove is therefore undeserving of your attacks.
You apparently wish.
Drop dead Rove you fascist pig.
“Which were baseless in fact. ‘Getting rid of guns’ would work no better than getting rid of illegal drugs; it would INCREASE gun violence.”
You’re confusing outlawing guns with ridding society of guns. Rove said that a society without guns would be a society without gun violence. That is obviously true on the face of it. Rove also said you couldn’t rid society of guns.
‘To feed them witlessly is unworthy of anyone calling himself a political professional.”
Fair enough. Now demonstrate your professionalism and craft a response to the question Rove was asked that cannot be misconstrued or will witlessly feed them.
No I'm not. I'm criticizing Rove for not noting that distinction in his response.
Now demonstrate your professionalism and craft a response to the question Rove was asked that cannot be misconstrued or will witlessly feed them.
Easy. One does what any nimble politician does and answer the question one would prefer had been asked: Simply state that government regulating guns to eliminate gun violence is likely to result in more gun violence. The correct thing to do is to reverse leftist cultural policies that mass produce violent psychotics, dependents, and other misfits.
That's how it's done.
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