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Scott Walker moving to weaken tenure for state college professors
Hot Air.com ^ | June 18, 2015 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 06/18/2015 1:29:28 PM PDT by Kaslin

Scott Walker has formed a Testing the Waters Committee, which I assume has something to do with Marco Rubio’s response to the State of the Union in 2013. (Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.) The new committee will provide him with an additional conduit to raise funds between now and when he announces his presidential bid in July. But at the same time, he’s making some other moves, particularly in the area of tenure for professors at public colleges and universities.

As Republican Gov. Scott Walker prepares to campaign for president as the man who tamed Wisconsin’s unions, he’s taking on a new labor fight: weakening tenure protections for professors at public colleges and universities.

Walker insists that by allowing the University of Wisconsin system Board of Regents, 16 of whose 18 members are appointed by the governor, to set tenure policies instead of having tenure protections spelled out in state law will help give the state university system more flexibility and financial leverage.

His effort could endear him to conservatives who are scornful of what they view as higher education’s ivory tower — a perception Walker has encouraged by suggesting that “maybe it’s time for faculty and staff to think about teaching more classes and doing more work” — but it has infuriated academics and others who consider tenure a vital protection of academic freedom.

Note that Walker isn’t proposing some sort of blanket ban on tenure. That’s probably a smart play, since such an unconditional declaration of war would be yet another bruising battle to engage in just as he’s getting ready to launch a national campaign. Instead of that, he’s proposing that tenure policy be set by the Board of Regents. The effect would probably not, in all likelihood, be the same as some sort of complete ban on tenure, but it could institute some long overdue reviews and corrections.

This will likely reignite the long simmering fight over the tenure system in general. The ivory tower elite will continue to insist that tenure serves the dual purpose of protecting educators from baseless accusations while ensuring that they are not beholden to the shifting tides of political opinion. As I’ve said in the past, the sad part of all this is that those would actually be fairly persuasive arguments in a perfect world. Students may behave maliciously and irresponsibly at times and could bring false accusations against an instructor. And inside of a state run system such as the colleges, it would be nice to think that teachers were all enlightened and pure of motive. Much like judges, it’s not difficult to imagine situations where elected officials put their thumbs on the scale in terms of appointments and hiring.

And yet, tenure turned out to be such a powerful and easily abused weapon that its downside eventually swamped whatever good it hoped to accomplish. The incompetent or even abusive were shielded along with the diligent workers. And rather than providing a nonpartisan safe space for academics, our universities largely turned into liberal or even socialist enclaves where no dissenting opinions would be allowed. The tenure system was simply a tool to cement that structure in place over generations.

Of course, Walker is being accused of doing this as some sort of “stunt” to burnish his conservative credentials as he moves into the primary race. But does anyone think those credentials really needed any polishing when it comes to conservative doctrine regarding unions and universities? Sounds precisely in character to me.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2016election; college; publicemployeeunions; publicschools; scottwalker; tenure
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To: Dr. Sivana

Agreed.............


81 posted on 06/18/2015 6:05:33 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Osage Orange

Hey brainiacs of a feather stick together. :-)


82 posted on 06/18/2015 6:06:12 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: conservativejoy

BFF’s forever. :-)


83 posted on 06/18/2015 6:07:13 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Agreed. :-)


84 posted on 06/18/2015 6:08:24 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Well....that's all you got Professor?

No answers to my questions?

You admit that you and CJ talk...but CJ denies it.

You girls need to get your stories straight.

Most of the FReepers I know....know what you both are about.

They are watching you....

85 posted on 06/18/2015 6:11:32 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: conservativejoy
I contribute to Cruz and am a Cruz volunteer.

I believe you, but as a Cruz supporter myself I would like to suggest that your posting style is not helping our candidate. When I went to the Georgia State convention, I visited all of the booths (except Bush's "Right to Rise") and I engaged the Carson people, because I see Carson as taking the most out of better candidates. Even though I don't think Carson's candidacy is serving our nation well, I did not hector them, but had an honest discussion with them about Carson's good points (of which there are many) and his weaknesses. I want Cruz to get those Carson supporters, and I wasn't going to get them by yelling that he's a gun-grabber. There is no need to chase the Carson supporters over to a Huckabee or Santorum by being disingenuous or needlessly contentious.

In my opinion, Cruz and Walker both muffed the TPA TAA business. But at this point, going nuclear over it will only make Jeb Bush chortle lightly to himself. We have time to winnow the field. I know that Walker is well positioned to win Iowa, and I appreciate that Cruz is making a big play for the state, as New Hampshire will be a tough sell for him. A one-two finish (either order) will keep both alive until South Carolina, where Cruz can make his move for real (especially if Graham draws as much from Jeb Bush as from the others).
86 posted on 06/18/2015 6:11:37 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Osage Orange

once,


87 posted on 06/18/2015 6:11:48 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: conservativejoy
Links were in post 58.

Thanks for the reference. I missed it.
88 posted on 06/18/2015 6:13:39 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana; conservativejoy
I myself aren't sure.....that I believe her.

I've seen too many campaigns. Too many people lying...

CJ was inactive here for quite a long time. Just seems like old times...the Clinton years...the early Obama years...once again.

That said...let's say she is for Cruz. Why would a Conservative act like a Liberal Progessive Marxist Democrat to try and disembowel a fellow Conservative? Why try and kill off people that have done good jobs in this country...Done Conservative things...Survived a bunch of BS things in that state!!!????

I agree with your post...but I don't believe her for nothing.

90 posted on 06/18/2015 6:34:09 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Osage Orange; conservativejoy
Why try and kill off people that have done good jobs in this country...Done Conservative things...Survived a bunch of BS things in that state!!!???

I have known good conservatives who couldn't stand Sarah Palin, and were inclined to take things in the worst manner possible. Since we elect men and not parties, I believe that a lot more than we admit is colored by our perceptions of the candidates' demeanor and personality. Even if Haley Barbour were not a crook, his southern dialect would play VERY poorly in the northeast regardless of his politics.

Ross Perot got a lot of undeserved support because his personality fit a certain template that people wanted to buy into. In a narrow way, Trump has a segment willing to do taht as well. It is not all rational.

The lefties HATE the fact that they cannot paint Scott Walker in his Kohl's $1 sweater as a fire-breathing dragon. And that makes them hate him even more.

I have to accept the possibility that some people are thrown off by Richie Cunningham types. Much as I dislike Obama and Clinton, my dislike of Kerry is far more visceral. I knew too many people from Massachusetts, and I don't like most of them. I don't know where CJ is from, maybe that plays into it.

CJ may well just not trust Walker at a personal level, or read an article that colored her judgment; or has one single crucial issue that sets her on fire. I know if Giuliani had ANY traction in 2008 I would have been all over him.

Now, there have been times when hatchet jobs have been done n good conservatives to help another conservative. Loeb's Manchester Union-Leader in New Hampshire was once the biggest influencer in the New Hampshire primary, and in 1980, Reagan was to the right of he field except for Cong. Phil Crane of Illinois, who wanted to go back on the gold standard, and was much younger than Reagan, and just as handsome. The paper went after him, NOT Baker, Dole, Connolly or Anderson, who were taking votes out of George the Elder's hide. It worked.

This election has a far different dynamic. Cruz is the more intelligent man, he has proved his own political savvy both in elections and in Congress, he has a well-defined philosophical vision. He is a better speaker.

Walker is a doer, and has unusual political instincts, patience and focus. He can be anti-establishment and make it look like he got backed into it. He reminds me of Joe Montana, ducking the rushing defensive end and getting the throw off. He doesn't get rattled. He doesn't come across as bitter or particularly negative.

But this election also has one real villain, Jeb Bush. If he gets the nomination because of a four way split amng rival conservatives (Rand Paul is his own brand, and I don't consider him taking votes from any one conservative), that would be a tragedy.

Though I think Cruz is the better choice, as I ultimately WANT to force a realignment that Cruz can and Walker won't, I am not willing to make specious arguments against either. Against Jeb Bush, no specious argument is needed. His last name is enough. We don't do royalty here. Finis.
91 posted on 06/18/2015 7:45:20 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Osage Orange; Dr. Sivana

I am trying to interject some objectivity into our evaluations of candidates based on their record. There is nothing “specious” in hard cold statistics. I do not want to spread the kind of failure exemplified by a state being 40th in job creation and 50th in new businesses to the rest of the country.

I don’t think Walker has done a good job fiscally for Wisconsin at all. Walker seems to have position changes based on political expediency fairly frequently. He was against ethanol before he was speaking to farmers in Iowa,. He sponsored a gun control bill when he was in the legislature. Take your pick of which of his immigration positions you like best.

Then there are the ethical issues. WEDC stinks to high heaven as an agency that rewarded Walker donors. Even in the union fight, Walker gave the unions that supported him a pass. Thank kind of political cronyism bothers me.

Whatever happens in the campaign, I think we need to carefully examine all the candidates’ records, because you can be sure the DNC will.


92 posted on 06/19/2015 6:09:31 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“BFF’s forever. :-)”

You betcha! :)


93 posted on 06/19/2015 6:13:18 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

This is one article that I read on the sand fracking issue in Wisconsin and Walker’s role in it.

< ahref=”http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114320/frac-sand-mining-wisconsin-rides-fracking-boom";>Link</a>


94 posted on 06/19/2015 6:25:24 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: conservativejoy

You are not being objective at all. You post only negative articles, often from sources that are hostile to Walker. I have already demonstrated that job creation stats have little relation to actual employment stats, and you keep on trotting it out. Changing headlines from one describing Hillary Clinton, to one with Scott Walker’s name in it is not injecting objectivity. You did it again after a warning. I believe that is why you were suspended.

I don’t know where in the country you live, but you have not lived in Wisconsin, or worked there. I have. There is a reason why people on this board who actually live or work in Wisconsin like Walker so much. He’s been an exceptional governor.

Cruz is my #1, but I believe I can, and have, made points pro and con on both men.

WEDC dos not stink any more than all of the other state sponsored job creation agencies. It reprersents 6% of the deficit Walker eliminated in one year, and the % assistance of businesses benefitting from it corresponds roughly to Walker’s own margin. Just because Menards or Johnsonville gives money to the Walker campaign, it wasn’t to get the assistance, otherwise the 40% who didn’t donate would have gotten nothing.

Heck, WEDC isn’t even getting traction in Wisconsin. I mainly hear about it from you. The John Does were an effectively a colonoscopy of Walker and anyone who supported him.


95 posted on 06/19/2015 6:54:32 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Its a small potatoes issue.

Think Rudy Guiliani and his application of the "Broken Windows" theory.

96 posted on 06/19/2015 6:58:11 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate. [URL=http://media.photobucket.com/user/currencyjunkie/me)
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To: Dr. Sivana

The Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, Forbes, to name a few have published stats on Wisconsin’s poor jobs performance. I’m glad for those who live in Wisconsin who like Walker and I hope they get to keep him as Governor. I’m just not impressed with his record, his weak core on issues, and questionable ethics. I don’t want to see his act inflicted on the nation as a whole.

I didn’t start out with an unfavorable view of Walker, but his record has given me one.


97 posted on 06/19/2015 7:28:40 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

BTW, the discussion here on FR was about the TPA and TPP and where the candidates stood. The article headline gave no indication that in the body of the article was a quote by Walker giving his position on those. I followed the rules which say to include the title of the article. In no way was I trying to change the content, but was trying to get the relevant content out.

As it turns out, another article came out following that buried quote, that gave Walker’s position in favor of TPA and TPP.


98 posted on 06/19/2015 7:35:15 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: conservativejoy
The article headline gave no indication that in the body of the article was a quote by Walker giving his position on those. I followed the rules which say to include the title of the article.

You didn't follow the rules. Including the headline in the body when you changed the headline is not what the rule states. After you were warned, you did it again. The main reason for the rule is to avoid duplicate posts. It is also to avoid editorializing in the headlines, the comments are for that.

By the way, both Walker and Cruz underperformed on the question. Unfortunately, to get to guys who are better on it, you have to dig down a bit. It is an important issue, but Ted Cruz has a very strong undercurrent of philosophical conservatism, and Walker is solid and gets things done in my book. So, I account for the candidates' weaknesses and promote (or defend) the best of the lot.
99 posted on 06/19/2015 7:59:50 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Personally, I don’t think any of the candidates are strong enough on immigration. I think we need to start with those who are receiving any kind of public assistance and deport them. It goes without saying that those who commit other crimes should be deported.

I did not intentionally break any rule. I just interpreted the rule that said include the headline in a more literal way than it was evidently intended.


100 posted on 06/19/2015 8:19:04 AM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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