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To: aMorePerfectUnion
None of which proves anything

Except that Jesus gave Peter individually, and the Apostles collectively, the power to "bind and loose," or indisputable ecclesiastical authority.

And it's all right there in the Bible, which Protestants claim to revere.

Matthew 16:19

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Imagine that. Think about that statement for a moment. Don't just pass over it.

Matthew 18:18

"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

Again, don't just pass over these words.

From the Jewish Encyclopedia:

The power of binding and loosing was always claimed by the Pharisees. Under Queen Alexandra, the Pharisees, says Josephus ("B J." i, 5, § 2), "became the administrators of all public affairs so as to be empowered to banish and readmit whom they pleased, as well as to loose and to bind." This does not mean that, as the learned men, they merely decided what, according to the Law, was forbidden or allowed, but that they possessed and exercised the power of tying or untying a thing by the spell of their divine authority, just as they could, by the power vested in them, pronounce and revoke an anathema upon a person. The various schools had the power "to bind and to loose"; that is, to forbid and to permit (Ḥag. 3b); and they could bind any day by declaring it a fast-day (Meg. Ta'an. xxii.; Ta'an. 12a; Yer. Ned. i. 36c, d). This power and authority, vested in the rabbinical body of each age or in the Sanhedrin (see Authority), received its ratification and final sanction from the celestial court of justice (Sifra, Emor, ix.; Mak. 23b).

In the New Testament.

In this sense Jesus, when appointing his disciples to be his successors, used the familiar formula (Matt. xvi. 19, xviii. 18). By these words he virtually invested them with the same authority as that which he found belonging to the scribes and Pharisees who "bind heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but will not move them with one of their fingers"; that is, "loose them," as they have the power to do (Matt. xxiii. 2-4). In the same sense, in the second epistle of Clement to James II. ("Clementine Homilies," Introduction), Peter is represented as having appointed Clement as his successor, saying: "I communicate to him the power of binding and loosing so that, with respect to everything which he shall ordain in the earth, it shall be decreed in the heavens; for he shall bind what ought to be bound and loose what ought to be loosed as knowing the rule of the church."


502 posted on 06/22/2015 9:01:00 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

STA,
Again, without an understanding of Greek, you are just repeating what you were told.

Here is an literal translation from Greek:

“Whatever you shall bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”

Already bound. Already loosed.

As to the keys...

Peter is given a significant position of authority in the *kingdom on earth* (”The kingdom is here, as elsewhere in this Gospel, the kingdom to be inaugurated when the Son of Man came upon the clouds of heaven. . . .” Constable ), not in the ekklesia of the current age.

This brief conversation has helped me understand where you are coming from and credit you with belief in what you’ve been taught, without the skills to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

Best.


503 posted on 06/22/2015 11:34:30 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Way to slither away from your severely edited postings of GOD's WORD!

You make Mary cry!

512 posted on 06/22/2015 11:58:12 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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