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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

STA,
Again, without an understanding of Greek, you are just repeating what you were told.

Here is an literal translation from Greek:

“Whatever you shall bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”

Already bound. Already loosed.

As to the keys...

Peter is given a significant position of authority in the *kingdom on earth* (”The kingdom is here, as elsewhere in this Gospel, the kingdom to be inaugurated when the Son of Man came upon the clouds of heaven. . . .” Constable ), not in the ekklesia of the current age.

This brief conversation has helped me understand where you are coming from and credit you with belief in what you’ve been taught, without the skills to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

Best.


503 posted on 06/22/2015 11:34:30 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Quick!

Wash the TAR off before you get stuck farther into it!


513 posted on 06/22/2015 11:58:49 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
STA, Again, without an understanding of Greek, you are just repeating what you were told.

Here is an literal translation from Greek:

“Whatever you shall bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”

Already bound. Already loosed.

But what difference does that make? Any proclamation of the Church on earth would already have been ratified in heaven. How would that diminish the Church's Teaching Authority?

And this makes sense, since this Church is Christ's Church, "the pillar and foundation of truth." The Church is the foundation of Truth, which is Christ Himself.

The Church is the Body of Christ, with Christ as Its Head.

This conforms with Jesus' admonition, "if he won't listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector."

As to the keys...

Peter is given a significant position of authority in the *kingdom on earth* (”The kingdom is here, as elsewhere in this Gospel, the kingdom to be inaugurated when the Son of Man came upon the clouds of heaven. . . .” Constable ), not in the ekklesia of the current age.

This brief conversation has helped me understand where you are coming from and credit you with belief in what you’ve been taught, without the skills to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

Here is Constable's exegesis regarding "the keys" of Matthew 16:19, and compare it to what I have posted further below.

Constable

Probably the keys stand for the judicial authority that chief stewards of monarchs exercised in the ancient world (Isaiah 22:15; Isaiah 22:22; cf. Revelation 1:18; Revelation 3:7). [Note: Vincent, 1:96.] They could permit people to enter the monarch's presence or give them access to certain areas and privileges. As the Judge of all humanity, Jesus gave this authority to Peter. Of course, some of the other Apostles exercised it too (Matthew 18:18; Acts 14:27).

Constable vastly understates the authority of the office of the vice-regent in the ancient Davidic kingdom.

To begin with, the Bible tells us that Jesus is the King of the eternal and redeemed Davidic Kingdom. (Luke 1:32)

In the ancient Davidic kingdom, the palace majordomo or chief steward served as the representative of the king (or vice-regent) in the king's absence. In the king's absence, the vice regent held full plenary authority.

Here is how this authority is described in Isaiah 22:

I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the people of Judah. I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
More of this succession in office can be seen in Isaiah 22:15-25

The authority of this office was represented by an over-sized key, the key of David, which the vice-regent wore around his neck. (Isaiah 22:22)

As the King of the eternal House of David, Jesus holds the Key of David. (Rev. 3:7)

Jesus gave the "keys of the kingdom," representing the office of the vice-regent of the eternal, redeemed House of David, to Peter. (Matthew 16:19)

In The King's earthly absence, the vice-regent of the eternal, redeemed Davidic kingdom holds plenary authority over Christ's earthly Church.

And “Whatever you shall bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”

516 posted on 06/22/2015 12:45:38 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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