Posted on 06/18/2015 5:02:26 AM PDT by don-o
Documents supporting the seizure of 27 vehicles from those reportedly involved in the May 17 Twin Peaks shootout reveal new details of the escalating turf war between rival biker gangs and their support groups that clashed with deadly results after a motorcycle association meeting was moved from Austin to Waco.
Prosecutors filed notices Tuesday of their intent to seize and forfeit 17 motorcycles, eight pickup trucks and two SUVs, alleging the vehicles are contraband used during the commission of the noon-hour incident that left nine bikers dead, 20 wounded and 177 jailed on engaging in organized criminal activity charges.
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The Cossacks are not members of the local COC&I and the Bandidos are. However, the Cossacks consider Waco “their territory and made the decision to take a stand and attend the meeting uninvited,” according to the court documents.
“Cossacks threatened that Waco was a ‘Cossacks town’ and nobody else could ride there,” the records state. “The large number of Bandidos and their supporters showed up to the Region 1 COC&I meeting because the Bandidos wanted to have a show of force and make a statement that Waco was not the Cossacks’ town.”
(Excerpt) Read more at wacotrib.com ...
Well, the cops need something to drive while off duty.
I call it state sanctioned Murder.
Well some info trickling out, but not from who it should be coming from. It is what We have always thought from the first, the Officers took out who they planned on taking out. Death by Police with the approval of Millions, and many on here. Still think there is UC involved, may have been among the Murdered. Half of America does not even know about it, Most of the others do not care, as some on here. Goes back to some of our first concerns, they came for the bikers, I was not a biker. Meanwhile 9 more Americans die across the country and everyone knows. The Price of Freedom is buried in the Ground. “YOU’VE NEVER LIVED ‘TIL YOU’VE ALMOST DIED, FOR THOSE WHO FIGHT FOR IT, LIFE HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW. God have Mercy on America.
I have seen no evidence to support that. But, my idea is equally bad; that being a failure of preparation, planning and implementation of a plan to prevent violence.
They were sitting in their vehicles as the tensions escalated. The affidavit tells of ominous and suspicious actions that, I do not believe, the police were aware of until after the fact.
If they WERE aware of the rising tension, they seem to have ignored it. At this point I WILL NOT say that they deliberately ignored it.
Today, I believe the police panicked.
Of course, people come at this from different places with different assumptions and different priorities. I am less interested in the motorcycle club aspect per se than I am in the legal aspect and the actual actions of the police.
Trying to sort out what Cossacks and Bandidos had going on with their relationship has only limited interest to me. And, I believe has only a secondary importance to the larger issues in play. Because, I believer the larger issues are larger by a HUGE factor. And when I read the Waco editorial writer opine:
"The key thing local authorities addressing the Twin Peaks saga should remember is that what transpired May 17; the million-dollar bonds subsequently set; and justifiable questions about due process are altogether unprecedented in this context and scope. How all this is handled by police, the district attorney and the courts will define, possibly for years, not only our criminal justice system but Waco."
well, when I read that I have hope that the larger acpects of this will not get swept under the rug.
Thank you and thank you for finding and posting articles to keep the discussion going and trying to shine the light.
My current interest and curiosity is Chief Stroman's statement from last Friday that his men were in their vehicles when the "violent altercation" began.
Really, dude? Sitting in vehicles??? What was the thinking behind THAT?
I wonder if he will have a presser today?
THAT SAID -- the utter bizarreness of the entire pretense for this happening, the supposed "escalating turf war" between a well-known long-established Hells Angeles-type club and a nobody club newly and solely defined as "criminal" by "police experts" but otherwise off the radar, FURTHER indicates that the motor cycle club aspects were HOW these larger issues were manipulated to come into play in the first place. In other words, the bizarreness of the circumstances indicates that this was CONTRIVED and CREATED in order to carry out this exercise in the CLEAR abuse of due process.
don-o, REGARDLESS NOW of what does or doesn't get swept under the rug, it's too late to prevent this from successfully happening AGAIN with some minor variations, and 100 or more lives destroyed. I think of a certain recreational club I belong to that is focused on firearms.
This Waco thing PROVES that I and everyone else in my club could be financially and professionally destroyed at the whim of the Feds with the help of crooked law enforcement, EVEN IF WE ENDED UP BEING FOUND INNOCENT, and people like FReepers right here would say, "Well, it's too bad and everything, but law enforcement says this was a club of no-gooders so it's a matter of lying down with dogs and waking up with fleas, too bad, so sad." As one of those types said yesterday, this story is becoming a non-story because "cooler heads" are prevailing. THAT IS WHY IT IS TOO LATE, and "we" have already lost.
That is why it is the most important domestic story in the news today, and why the fact that is being so UTTERLY ignored means ... it was successful, even if 90 percent of the people arrested are found totally innocent.
He could easily say -- and people who buy the premise that the Cossacks were "dangerous criminals" on a par with long-established Bandidos, would chuckle in agreement -- just letting them kill each other before stepping in to clean up the mess.
Yes, this event was all and only about depriving Americans of their right to free assembly and punishing them harshly without due process. It is all and ONLY about that.
It involves abuse of power, extreme abuse of power and contempt for due process, against a VERY PARTICULAR demographic, and it not only was pulled off, it was pulled of very successfully, because most people who consider themselves sufficiently informed, still labor under the illusion that most of the folks arrested were criminal bikers when in fact, only a small handful were, and the actual hard-core ALL belonged to only one club, the Bandidos, at least looking at prior criminal records of the 27 whose property is being subjected to seizure.
This exercise in Waco changed America just like 911, though apparently most don't know it yet. Government authorities involved have fooled most of the people all of the time, here, and it is too late for remedy, even if all the innocents are vindicated. Their lives and reputations have been permanently harmed and worse, America has an erroneous view of "most bikers in clubs" (just like they have a view of "most urban blacks") that has been crafted and tainted a very particular hue.
This same model can be used on virtually any kind of demographic that involves those in clubs AND independent of clubs.
... except in that, even when pushed to extremes, such as being held in zip-tie handcuffs overnight after originally being assured "we just want to take your statements and then you'll be released" to NOT being told they were under arrest yet being held captive for two weeks to a month on clearly excessive bailjust for being there, LEO was not able to provoke them to rioting while in "containment."
Had guys like Clendennen lost their cool and rebelled as probably many FReepers would have done when so blatantly held and severely harmed on fraudulent grounds, everyone in America would be convinced that every single person arrested was a criminal on a par with meth-pushing racketeering convicted Bandidos. So in that sense, it didn't quite go off ideally -- a riot in "containment" is the only way this could have gone better for the authoritarian tyrants in law enforcement who set it up.
TFoss, pings to posts 68 and 69. :^(
Notice, no Banditos were killed?
Police said one, but list does not show that connection.
This is a Fed driven agenda focused CF.
Previously sent to don-o:
I think this is specifically related to Waco because of the not specifically stated:
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The Right of Free Association
The Right to the Presumption of Innocence
The Right to a Fair Trial
The Right to Privacy
See discussion here:
CF — Cluster Fuster (!), or does CF stand for something else? I know, dumb question, just making sure I’m not misunderstanding CF!
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I’m just seeing this now - several hours after first seeing the Waco PD’s fakebook posting. Apparently that’s this week’s presser. They aren’t letting any important info get into the media. Their admission last Friday, of Waco PD officers firing twelve rounds from their M4s, was a mistake on their part. The general public’s unconcern for Constitutional rights notwithstanding, the Waco PD’s firing of high powered rifles into a busy shopping area showed complete disregard for the general public. People will remember that.
As well they should if they were held in such contempt and low regard by criminals who would drive right past them and engage in open warfare and gunfire right in front of them -- don, SIX CLEARLY MARKED POLICE CARS at least.
Such police, whose authority the bad guys obviously feared as much as they might fear teenage girls on bicycles, would certainly be inclined to panic.
Rattlecan is Jake Rhyne
He received several shots. Any idea who shot him? thx
He was shot by police.
He was shot by police.
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