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Vehicle forfeiture documents reveal new details about deadly biker shootout
Waco Herald-Tribune ^ | June 18, 2015 | TOMMY WITHERSPOON

Posted on 06/18/2015 5:02:26 AM PDT by don-o

Documents supporting the seizure of 27 vehicles from those reportedly involved in the May 17 Twin Peaks shootout reveal new details of the escalating turf war between rival biker gangs and their support groups that clashed with deadly results after a motorcycle association meeting was moved from Austin to Waco.

Prosecutors filed notices Tuesday of their intent to seize and forfeit 17 motorcycles, eight pickup trucks and two SUVs, alleging the vehicles are contraband used during the commission of the noon-hour incident that left nine bikers dead, 20 wounded and 177 jailed on engaging in organized criminal activity charges.

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The Cossacks are not members of the local COC&I and the Bandidos are. However, the Cossacks consider Waco “their territory and made the decision to take a stand and attend the meeting uninvited,” according to the court documents.

“Cossacks threatened that Waco was a ‘Cossacks town’ and nobody else could ride there,” the records state. “The large number of Bandidos and their supporters showed up to the Region 1 COC&I meeting because the Bandidos wanted to have a show of force and make a statement that Waco was not the Cossacks’ town.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: waco; wacobikers
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To: mac_truck

Well, the cops fired 12 rounds from military-grade rifles and cops shoot ‘center of mass’ so at the outside the cops tried to kill 12 people.

We might find out sometime later that the cops are responsible for most of the nine deaths.

There have been at least 3 biker funerals so far and a coroner doesn’t release a body until the autopsy is complete.

So where are the autopsy reports?
Too embarrassing to release or just being slow-walked like most of the other information that would clear things up?


21 posted on 06/18/2015 6:32:51 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol (Diagonally parked in a parallel universe...)
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To: JJ_Folderol
"It looks almost like the vehicles were
‘arrested for possession of gang related markings and memorabilia’
as were the people involved."

Lots of bloviating about a lot of non-illegal stuff.

I hope they get around to charging someone with simple assault before the sheriff's auction.

22 posted on 06/18/2015 6:47:07 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: Delta 21

>>> I hope they get around to charging someone with simple assault before the sheriff’s auction. <<<

Exactly!

This whole ‘punish folks who haven’t been found guilty in court by stealing their stuff’ is just plain wrong and I can’t figure out how anybody could remotely consider it constitutional.


23 posted on 06/18/2015 6:53:54 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol (Diagonally parked in a parallel universe...)
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To: Prolixus

Bookmark


24 posted on 06/18/2015 7:19:07 AM PDT by Prolixus (Why does Waco make me think of Benghazi?)
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To: JJ_Folderol

“I can’t figure out how anybody could remotely consider it constitutional.”

Well, look at this. Straight from the AG of the US Fed Gov.

Loretta Lynch’s Worrisome Answer on Civil Asset Forfeiture http://www.cato.org/blog/loretta-lynchs-worrisome-answer-civil-asset-forfeiture Now this is the AG of the U.S. #headshake Waco?

Loretta Lunch & Asset Forfeiture> http://www.cato.org/multimedia/daily-podcast/loretta-lynch-civil-asset-forfeiture

Loretta Lynch Has No Problem With Civil Asset Forfeiture — And That’s A Problem http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/2014/11/25/loretta-lynch-has-no-problem-with-civil-asset-forfeiture-and-thats-a-problem/

Rand Paul Blasts Loretta Lynch On Civil Asset Forfeiture
http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/15/rand-paul-blasts-loretta-lynch-on-civil-asset-forfeiture/#ixzz3dIM0biAs

Add to this a Waco DA who has been practising this big time. He has 2 prosecutors on staff to do this stuff. A few years back he stated in a public meeting that he had 1/2 million $ in an account from Asset Forfeiture.

This is more than about the money, it is about the agenda. Not sure who is running this, but it is not in Waco.


25 posted on 06/18/2015 8:20:00 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: don-o

If you want a big round up, imagine 3,000 people arrested at once, and 13,000 over a period of less than 10 days or so.


26 posted on 06/18/2015 9:25:09 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

????


27 posted on 06/18/2015 9:42:49 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

It was a mass arrest that I was involved in at one time.

So large that some were held in makeshift internment camps, like a coliseum, and other sites, and not fed or issued bedding for days, and no charges for most.


28 posted on 06/18/2015 9:58:01 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Rescue by any chance?


29 posted on 06/18/2015 10:13:17 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Pollster1

Well...according to the MSM ( Office of Information...) SUV’s kill people and animals all the time.


30 posted on 06/18/2015 10:16:42 AM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: don-o

No, not rescue, mass arrests, just life in America.


31 posted on 06/18/2015 10:24:41 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: don-o

People don’t seem to know about, how big arrests can get in America.


32 posted on 06/18/2015 10:52:34 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: JJ_Folderol

“gang related markings and memorabilia”

Carrizal:

the bike had markings that read “1%,” “Bandido Property,” and “I Do Gang Things.”

Really one could not make this up!


33 posted on 06/18/2015 12:57:34 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: mac_truck

“better than that stupid “police massacre” meme “

Interesting how much detail these forfeiture documents contain.

Such as Ray A. Nelson, Jr.
“. . . this Cossack’s version of how the bloody battle at Twin Peaks began. Nelson was shot in the incident and was not arrested.”

snip, the Cossack prospect had his foot run over by a Bandido, snip

” ... argument with the Bandidos. One punched Nelson in the eye. At that moment, he saw another Bandido walk up and pull out a gun, the document states. The Bandido shot Nelson in the neck and the bullet exited his shoulder.”


34 posted on 06/18/2015 1:27:34 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: kiryandil

LOLOL!!! Thanks for a much-needed chuckle!


35 posted on 06/18/2015 1:40:30 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: SuzyQue
Good theory, except:

1. The bad guys were probably restricted to Bandidos, who have established reputations and are on an LEO list of dangerous criminal clubs. The Cossacks are NOT included on that list, and in my own personal searching, I discovered that the Cossacks were only deemed "criminal" by LEO after Waco. Also, I discovered that local to Waco, asshat bad-dud Bandidos had several times harassed/attacked Cossacks just for being Cossacks, but of course in the eyes of law enforcement who responded, that then makes Cossacks "equal" to Bandidos.

2. These supposed bad guys who were "there to rumble" were made up of Bandidos on motorcycles who had just ridden past about half a dozen marked police cars before said rumble, and Cossacks who could plainly see the same massive number of cop cars IN VIEW.

I don't know what this was, but I know what it wasn't. It wasn't a bunch of bad asses so incredibly stewwwwwpid as to pull-down in the clear presence of half a dozen marked cop cars.

36 posted on 06/18/2015 1:48:49 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: AMDG&BVMH
” ... argument with the Bandidos. One punched Nelson in the eye. At that moment, he saw another Bandido walk up and pull out a gun, the document states. The Bandido shot Nelson in the neck and the bullet exited his shoulder.”

Was he among the same bunch of Bandidos who had just pulled into the parking lot after having passed about half a dozen clearly marked police cars?

Got any criminal records for the Cossacks in terms of organized meth, robbery, trafficking, racketeering, extortion, etc?

37 posted on 06/18/2015 1:53:34 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: AMDG&BVMH
Interesting how much detail these forfeiture documents contain.

Just reading some of the prior records on the folks losing assets is interesting...they're definitely not wide eyed innocent school kids thats for sure!

38 posted on 06/18/2015 2:20:22 PM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Finny

We’ll see...hopefully.


39 posted on 06/18/2015 2:39:16 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: don-o; All
Your May 28, 2015 posting is what made me take second look at this event. The multiple head and COM hits on the dead, the nine dead, SWAT on the scene during the shooting, the mass arrest, no murder charges, the $1,000,000 bail, etc. and apparent near disinterest from the national media were incredible.
40 posted on 06/18/2015 2:41:04 PM PDT by Prolixus (Why does Waco make me think of Benghazi?)
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