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To: don-o; Prolixus; Smokin' Joe
My current interest and curiosity is Chief Stroman's statement from last Friday that his men were in their vehicles when the "violent altercation" began. Really, dude? Sitting in vehicles??? What was the thinking behind THAT?

He could easily say -- and people who buy the premise that the Cossacks were "dangerous criminals" on a par with long-established Bandidos, would chuckle in agreement -- just letting them kill each other before stepping in to clean up the mess.

Yes, this event was all and only about depriving Americans of their right to free assembly and punishing them harshly without due process. It is all and ONLY about that.

It involves abuse of power, extreme abuse of power and contempt for due process, against a VERY PARTICULAR demographic, and it not only was pulled off, it was pulled of very successfully, because most people who consider themselves sufficiently informed, still labor under the illusion that most of the folks arrested were criminal bikers when in fact, only a small handful were, and the actual hard-core ALL belonged to only one club, the Bandidos, at least looking at prior criminal records of the 27 whose property is being subjected to seizure.

This exercise in Waco changed America just like 911, though apparently most don't know it yet. Government authorities involved have fooled most of the people all of the time, here, and it is too late for remedy, even if all the innocents are vindicated. Their lives and reputations have been permanently harmed and worse, America has an erroneous view of "most bikers in clubs" (just like they have a view of "most urban blacks") that has been crafted and tainted a very particular hue.

This same model can be used on virtually any kind of demographic that involves those in clubs AND independent of clubs.

68 posted on 06/19/2015 7:53:10 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: don-o; Prolixus; Smokin' Joe
Correction: It involves abuse of power, extreme abuse of power and contempt for due process, against a VERY PARTICULAR demographic, and it not only was pulled off, it was pulled of very successfully ...

... except in that, even when pushed to extremes, such as being held in zip-tie handcuffs overnight after originally being assured "we just want to take your statements and then you'll be released" to NOT being told they were under arrest yet being held captive for two weeks to a month on clearly excessive bailjust for being there, LEO was not able to provoke them to rioting while in "containment."

Had guys like Clendennen lost their cool and rebelled as probably many FReepers would have done when so blatantly held and severely harmed on fraudulent grounds, everyone in America would be convinced that every single person arrested was a criminal on a par with meth-pushing racketeering convicted Bandidos. So in that sense, it didn't quite go off ideally -- a riot in "containment" is the only way this could have gone better for the authoritarian tyrants in law enforcement who set it up.

69 posted on 06/19/2015 8:07:19 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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