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Germany to get new air defense system, battleships
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 9 June 2015 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/09/2015 9:14:51 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

BERLIN (AP) — Germany plans to acquire a new air defense system and four new battleships over the coming years for a total of nearly 8 billion euros ($8.9 billion).

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: battleship; dreadnought; germany
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To: Redmen4ever

The Zumwalts were classified as “destroyers” because they were supposed to be the replacements for the Spruance-class VLS land-attack DD.

There was supposed to be a cruiser variant using the Zumwalt hull. Like the Ticonderogas used the Spruance hull. But that was dropped due to cost and need.

Theoretically the Zumwalts could be reclassed as Cruisers, just like the Leahy and Belknap “Destroyer Leaders/Frigates” (and their nuclear powered cousins of the Bainbridge, Truxton, South Carolina and Virginia classes) were. Actually as the Ticonderogas were too (they were originally designated DDGs). Which may very well happen, if only to preserve some SWO O6 sea command billets as the Ticos retire.

Personally, I think “Panzerschiff” would work well for the Zumwalts, given their capabilities. But, somehow, I don’t think it would fly.


81 posted on 06/09/2015 11:30:24 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: alfa6

IIRC the Montanas were supposed to have the Mk.II 16” 50cal guns, while the Iowas had the Mk.7 lightweight ones.

The Montanas were also supposed to be more heavily armored than the Iowas, reverting to a 27kt top speed.


82 posted on 06/09/2015 11:35:13 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Sherman Logan

I agree with you Sherman. The Germans aren’t seeking to acquire battleships, they’re seeking to acquire warships or combat ships. Judging from the price (4 million euros for four), my guess would something like Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.


83 posted on 06/09/2015 11:36:18 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: tanknetter

Everything you listed stirs many fond childhood memories.


84 posted on 06/09/2015 11:40:22 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: tanknetter

The Montana class was designed to go toe-to-toe against the Yamato class. So, speed was sacrificed for guns and armor. But, the battleship had become obsolete. Aircraft carriers and submarines ruled. So, the Navy cancelled the Montana class, and kept producing fast Iowa class battleships, capable of escorting carrier strike fleets, for a while.


85 posted on 06/09/2015 11:40:31 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: ClearCase_guy

I think somebody mis-translated the German word for “warship” as “battleship”.


86 posted on 06/09/2015 11:42:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Probably an uneducated translator.


87 posted on 06/09/2015 11:44:52 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Redmen4ever

The Montanas, like the Midways, were too big to fit through the Panama Canal locks. An additional set of locks, big enough for them, was planned and started. But the steel for the locks, and the Montanas, was redirected to other programs.

Incidentally, those third set of locks were revisited due to the increasing numbers of Post-Panamax ships and are almost finished. Panama (and their ChiCom backers) got a really nice jump on the effort thanks to all the excavation work done in 1943 or so still being there.


88 posted on 06/09/2015 11:57:49 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I find it curious that the Kentucky was still around to take pieces from in 1955... It had been canceled years earlier.

Apparently it hadn't yet been scrapped, but the accident happened in 1956.

Wikipedia:USS Wisconsin (BB-64)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wisconsin_%28BB-64%29

89 posted on 06/09/2015 12:27:54 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Redmen4ever; tanknetter
The Montana class was designed to go toe-to-toe against the Yamato class. So, speed was sacrificed for guns and armor. But, the battleship had become obsolete. Aircraft carriers and submarines ruled. So, the Navy cancelled the Montana class, and kept producing fast Iowa class battleships, capable of escorting carrier strike fleets, for a while.

Thousands of fewer lives were put at risk sinking the Yamato class battleships by attacking them with carrier based aircraft than if Montana class battleships had gotten within range with their 16 inch guns.

90 posted on 06/09/2015 12:33:51 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: al baby

Oh, makes sense.

Thanks.


91 posted on 06/09/2015 12:39:04 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: okie01

Montana


92 posted on 06/09/2015 12:46:16 PM PDT by wjr123
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To: Paleo Conservative

Indeed.

The “Iowa vs Yamato”, or “Montana vs Yamato” theoretical faceoffs are neat to discuss, but only the most ardent Battleship sentimentalists actually yearn for them to have occurred. That might include Bill Halsey, who supposedly was yearning to get the Japanese fast-BBs in range of his fast-BBs guns at Leyte Gulf.

I will add the caveat that the Pearl Harbor battleships’ “payback is a b*tch, MFer” moment at Suragio Strait warms the heart with a sense of poetic justice.


93 posted on 06/09/2015 12:55:24 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Last Dakotan
My father aboard the USS Iowa, below in an engine room. He is explaining to us how to go from cold boilers to underway step by step. Wonder how many living men can do this?

Probably quite a few, because the last of the Iowa class battleships was decommissioned in 1991.

94 posted on 06/09/2015 1:00:09 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The HP/LP turbines and reduction gears from the Kentucky were used to power AOE-1 USS Sacramento, and AOE-2 USS Camden.


95 posted on 06/09/2015 1:26:34 PM PDT by X Fretensis
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To: Pollster1
Sink the Bismarck!--Homer & Jethro (1960)

Way back in 1942 or maybe '43
I sailed with Captain Tuna, the Chicken of the Sea.
We didn't sink the Bismarck, no matter what they say,
'Cause when we saw the German ship,
We sailed the other way.

96 posted on 06/09/2015 1:45:34 PM PDT by Rufii
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To: Paleo Conservative

Ouch looks like a great white now


97 posted on 06/09/2015 3:46:50 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Paleo Conservative

You are correct.
May, 1956.


98 posted on 06/09/2015 4:50:54 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: BuffaloJack

Yeah, they might. I think they might even through in a Schranhorst while they’re at it.


99 posted on 06/09/2015 5:10:40 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: jmacusa

Name the only US battleship not named for a state.


100 posted on 06/09/2015 6:19:48 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (we shouldn't fear the government. the government should fear us.)
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