The Gay Community's Contribution To Bringing Down The Duggars

In a minute, I will get to the two gay persons involved in exposing this and the porn history behind the magazine In Touch.

First, I of course want to say that Josh Duggar’s actions were inexcusable, lest anyone accuse me of supporting what he did. I realize the media would have had no “dirt” on them had this not happened. That said, I listened to the interview with his parents, and I listened to the interview with the victims. I do believe the parents tried to do the right thing. They ultimately did get him help and contact the authorities. Say what you will about the help that they got Josh, but it seemed to work. There has been no indication from even the media that he has ever done something since he was 15. If he has, then I take that back, but there is no proof that he has.

The thing that I am getting at is that this is bigger in the liberal media than I believe it would have been had this happened to a liberal family. When the news of this molestation scandal came out, the first thing that I thought is, "They finally got them." There are a couple different websites, one in particular, who have disliked the Duggars for years due to their conservative, Christian beliefs. The one thing the Duggars did which essentially "doomed" them was to speak out against the gay agenda. It's not that the Duggars have ever said they hate gay people. Michelle's sister happens to be a lesbian, and they still love her. The Duggars simply believe marriage is between one man and one woman and children need to have a mother and father. Michelle Duggar made a robocall against a transgender bill out of concern that a man could claim to "feel" he is a woman to be able to use the womens' room to prey on a woman or young girls. She never said that ALL or even a majority of transgender people are child molestors like the media is playing it off as.

That brings me to my point, one of the sites is a site where the majority of posters do not like the Duggars or "fundies" or conservatives in general. Anyway, this person was linked as the person who tipped off In Touch or at least helped. She and her partner are lesbians who gave the dirt to In Touch [no idea how she knew], but she has a history of not liking the Duggars. Michelle Duggar making a robocall arguing against transgenders in the bathrooms really set her and her partner off. They organized a gay "kiss in" in front of the Duggars home. She is very proud of herself, and here is a link to her claiming credit for the In Touch story:

Second of all, the writer who broke the story for In Touch is a gay man who also broke the story of John Edwards with Rielle Hunter. I mention the latter because it does show he is willing to throw the other side under the bus for a good story, but I think he relished throwing the Duggars under the bus. He did an interview with The Advocate:

The Advocate: Hi Rick. Congrats on the piece. How did you come to break this story?

Rick Egusquiza: Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job.

I assumed they weren't fans of our community because they were such Bible-thumping conservative Christians, and I knew Josh Duggar worked for the Family Research Council. I learned a lot more about them when I was doing research for this story. I was disgusted by Michelle's robocall to the citizens of Fayetteville, Ark., regrading trans women and restrooms and comparing them to child molesters when she knew about her son’s actions.

Unfortunately, a lot of people in this country still have the same beliefs [as the Duggars] so they put the Duggars on a pedestal. On the other hand, I think a lot of the country and the world are very happy that their hypocrisy has been uncovered. Now, they’re more popular than ever though.

When people thank me for doing God's work. Of course, now that the story is out, everyone I meet tells me the same thing, which is, "I knew it! I just knew something weird was going on in that family." Of course, "weird" is a major understatement; it was a crime.

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The two sites mentioned have a lot of posters who have wanted the Duggars off the air for a long time, and the bottom line is because they are “fundies” or very conservative Christians. They were looking for something, anything to get them, and they got it. I saw one post from a poster who said they were disappointed this had to be this type of scandal because it involved molestation, but they wanted something, and others agreed. Another poster on the second forum who was a liberal was actually disgusted that some liberal friends on Facebook were rejoicing over this because they hate the Duggars.

These people say they just care about the girls...all while bashing their family by calling them a cult, creepy, weird, etc. and then proudly calling for the show to be cancelled...what they've wanted for years but didn't have a valid reason to do so. This isn't primarily about the girls to them, and Jessa said so last night on Megyn Kelly. This is about taking this family down all the while trying to be sympathetic. Does this journalist care what he put those girls through? They say they feel worse now than when it happened? No. He's proud of himself, and he is still digging.

My final point is that people say the Duggars are getting more heat because they held themselves up as “moral arbitrators,” and therefore, they are hypocrites. Isn’t this always the spiel with the liberals regarding conservatives? If a conservative has sinned or has a bad past, does that mean that he/she can’t speak out for conservative, Christian issues today? Josh, by all accounts so far, has turned his life around, so it’s not as if he is saying one thing and doing another. If he was still doing it or it was done as an adult and covered up, I would agree with them. Do they ever so severely call out their own who act as “moral arbitrators” for the modern, secular humanist agenda that rules today’s society?

The hate on this family is disgusting. It is said that it is because they are hypocrites. All 21 members are hypocrites and deserve to be hated? Really? Besides having Christian views, and having a juvenile son who made a youthful mistake, I am not quite sure that the revulsion from many is anywhere near close to reasonable. That is why I am calling it hate. Do you hate the really young ones too? There are even many despicable comments from freepers on this site. Frankly, I am reevaluating participating on Free Republic if hate and Chtistian bigotry are here.

He was already caught 12 years ago when he was sent away and his parents got him counseling, his sisters counseling, and contacted authorities. The authorities investigated again 4 years later and could not find any evidence he was a danger to his family or was still doing it. The only thing that happened was that it was exposed. I am only trying to point out that part of the reason behind the exposure of this was because the Duggars are conservative Christians.

Michelle Duggar making a robocall arguing against transgenders in the bathrooms really set her and her partner off. They organized a gay "kiss in" in front of the Duggars home. She is very proud of herself, and here is a link to her claiming credit for the In Touch story:

Something tells me that a Muslim country wouldn't have to put up with these people doing stuff like that.

It was in the Brit DAILY MAIL last week, about the lesbian, who is retiring this year and she stated that she had a few things to “DO” before she left office....which she sort of stated as a slightly veiled threat to her “enemies”.

I read last week - here at FR - that the Arkansas sheriff that illegaly leaked this story is a lesbian herself. No idea if its true. But it would give a reason as to why she did it.

If this is true, there needs to be a nuclear hammer of destruction unleashed upon her in the form of a civil lawsuit. Criminal as well, if possible, which I think may very well be.

Nothing was illegally leaked. The department responded to a public records request and was legally obligated to turn over the requested information.

From what I've read, it was all ordered destroyed. How do you provide something that isn't supposed to still exist?

Yes....her own sister, from the time she was an infant ( she examined her sister’s genitals and stuffed small rocks and gravel into it ) through some of her childhood. But her now adult sister is a lesbian, which she praises, so the lefties LOVE the fat, disgusting, uber lefty Lena.

This thread is my first foray into this topic, but I think you have the right of it. Certainly the vileness directed at these people is surprising. I certainly didn't expect it.

Do you hate the really young ones too? There are even many despicable comments from freepers on this site. Frankly, I am reevaluating participating on Free Republic if hate and Chtistian bigotry are here.

Libertarians. Quite a lot of them on this site. They suffer from the perpetual Libertarian problem; The inability to distinguish between "Liberty" and "License."

From what I've read, it was all ordered destroyed. How do you provide something that isn't supposed to still exist?

Read closer. The records held by the police were ordered destroyed after they were already turned over. A juvenile judge later ordered them destroyed but with no explanation as to why. Since the matter never reached a court, there is now the issue of whether the judge had the authority to order police to get rid of them.

If it was ok to release the info, then why did the judge last week destroy all the records for this case, preventing any further FOIA releases?

From what I understand, in most places (because both victims & abuser were under 18), nothing could be released-regardless of how old abuser was when the police were notified.

I’m not trying to argue; just sincerely curious. Laws can differ, of course, but most state laws regarding juvenile cases are pretty strict. I used to be a CASA volunteer, and there’s no way those records in those cases I was on could legally be released, whether or not they were sealed, and regardless of FOIA or not. Again, just curious.

I don’t consider molesting multiple sisters a mistake. Its not hate to hold Christians accountable when they err. Yes God forgives one of sin that doesn’t mean one escapes paying a price for that sin.

You say "Molesting" as if to imply intercourse, but my understanding is that he touched them while they were asleep. Yes, that's bad, but it is not in the same league as Lenna Dunham repeatedly diddling around with her little sister.

No he wasn’t held accountable now he is.

I care more about protecting children from a child molester. Don’t care if the molester or his parents are Christians. So many children become victims of child molesters because the parents forgive the molester who is family.

A juvenile judge later ordered them destroyed but with no explanation as to why. Since the matter never reached a court, there is now the issue of whether the judge had the authority to order police to get rid of them.

I think it is a courtesy for a Judge to explain his order, not a requirement. I think if they had such an order from a Judge, they needed to comply with it. I can think of all sorts of conditions under which a Judge would have no interest in explaining the reasons for his order, especially as relates to juvenile incidents.

I think the thinking in most states is that it is wrong to saddle an adult with a permanent stain regarding things he may have done before he knew better. Juveniles are presumed not responsible for themselves until they reach the age of maturity.

Most of these state laws are designed to protect people from exactly what has now happened to Josh Duggar. He will now suffer incalculable damage plus loss of income, etc. for something he did when he was very young.

I see him as having a cause of action against everybody involved in this, and I hope he sues them into bankruptcy, and most especially any governmental authorities that collaborated in releasing obviously salacious details of a matter which occurred while he was a juvenile.

If it was ok to release the info, then why did the judge last week destroy all the records for this case, preventing any further FOIA releases?

That's a good question. Since the matter never reached a court, what authority does the/any judge have to order the records destroyed? The judge refuses to say why the order was issued.

From what I understand, in most places (because both victims & abuser were under 18), nothing could be released-regardless of how old abuser was when the police were notified.

"In most places" might be correct. But public records laws differ from state-to-state. In Arkansas, apparently these particular records can be released because Josh was an adult when his perversion came to light.

Laws can differ, of course, but most state laws regarding juvenile cases are pretty strict.

Indeed. Juvenile court cases. This matter never went to court so controlling law is whatever laws apply to the release of police records. Names & pronouns were redacted, as is required under Arkansas law.

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