Posted on 06/08/2015 11:48:14 AM PDT by C19fan
As a young, openly gay Christian activist, Matthew Vines considered it a victory just to get into a room at a conservative Christian university here with four influential evangelicals who disagreed with him over what the Bible says about homosexuality.
He ended up in a polite, heartfelt three-hour debate last month over Scripture passages about topics like celibacy, eunuchs, slavery — and the connections between sex and marriage.
“Every single system you have within your body — whether it’s your respiratory system, your excretory system, your muscular system — can be completed as an individual,” said Sean McDowell, a professor here at Biola University and a well-known Christian author and speaker. “But there’s only one system in which male and female have half and become a united whole, and that’s in reproduction.”
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The Bible acknowledges that homosexuals exist, but does NOT approve of them and provides directon on what they must do.
Wrong! Try again!
OH, PLEASE!
The Bible says the same thing about homos as it does about adulterers, fornicators, liars, thieves, murderers, etc, etc, etc.
WE ARE SINNERS!
We need to acknowledge that, receive God’s forgiveness, allow His transforming power to CHANGE US, and MOVE ON.
If you go to James White’s “Alpha & Omega” Christian apologetics web site it has a devastating 4 hour audio presentation where Dr. White demolishes in excruciating detail every point Matt Vines tries to make in support of his “biblical homosexuality” position. It’s devastating. There’s a reason Vines refuses to debate White. This should not be surprising as Vines just recycles very old arguments which have been refuted over and over for decades.
IOW, an unrepentant sinner still caught in his perversion.
And here’s where the debate gets nasty. Because talking about sex as a reproductive system offends the sensibilities if liberals. To them, sex is only about the physical feelings and gratification. And to that end, they feel that sex outside marriage is OK with any number of partners, any gender of partners.
The procreation argument against homosexuality has always been pretty lame. The Bible point-blank says that it’s an abominable sin. Period. You can’t get around that, though Mr. Vines does try by obfuscating with “but what if they really love each other?” Who cares? What if I really love any number of other abominable sins against God? Now it’s OK? These are some milquetoast pastors in this article.
Genesis 2 (NASB):
18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper [o]suitable for him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the [p]sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the [q]sky, and to every beast of the field, but for [r]Adam there was not found a helper [s]suitable for him. 21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22 The Lord God [t]fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. 23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
[u]She shall be called [v]Woman,
Because [w]she was taken out of [x]Man.”
24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
Mark 10:
6 But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. 7 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother[d], 8 and the two shall become one flesh; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”
I’m not seeing how this is debatable.
Oh, look, more rationalization. Hope they didn’t break their arms patting themselves on their backs.
But wait, isn’t hubris also a sin?
I still think that homosexuality is a Victorian construct. What the Bible acknowledges is sodomy, right?
They are going to change and change and change until one day after you’re long gone the bible says something different.
I’ve taken to calling Gay activists science deniers...they love to tout science while scoffing at the religious arguments....that is until the science that absolutely invalidates the health of the homosexual lifestyle is brought up! So bring up the science suggesting that they are science deniers, they’ll get snooty and stalk off.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
“New York Times’?
Well, then I know it’s a lie.
Push piece. The NYT is famous for trying to create the new normal for conservatives and how they morph into todays disgusting liberal progressives by now saying to the God of Christianity that He is wrong, that whatever fill-in-the-blank sin is now NOT sin and more.
Translation: They are simply pushing a narritive to justify wrong and hoping to create bully conditions with which to beat up those who hold out.
Boy, you put your finger on it. And in such a simple (but profound!) way. They truly hate that sex is related to procreation, don’t they?
10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.
11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
14 “‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.
15 “‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal.
16 “‘If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
17 “‘If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They are to be publicly removed from their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible.
18 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a woman during her monthly period, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them are to be cut off from their people.
19 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the sister of either your mother or your father, for that would dishonor a close relative; both of you would be held responsible.
20 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his aunt, he has dishonored his uncle. They will be held responsible; they will die childless.
21 “‘If a man marries his brother’s wife, it is an act of impurity; he has dishonored his brother. They will be childless.
22 “‘Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out. 23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them. 24 But I said to you, “You will possess their land; I will give it to you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey.” I am the Lord your God, who has set you apart from the nations.
Yes; that is an oxymoron.
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