Posted on 06/03/2015 8:34:42 PM PDT by Mozilla
Fox News’ Megyn Kelly finally aired her big, much-anticipated interview with Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar, in which they opened up about their son Josh Duggar‘s public confession that he molested several young girls, including his own sisters, when he was a teenager.
The first time it happened, they explained, was when their son came to them, crying and saying he had touched his young sisters when they were asleep. Michelle Duggar said, “We had one ray of hope in that Josh had a tender conscience.”
There were more instances afterwards, Jim Bob Duggar said, in which their son had inappropriately touched his sisters over their clothes and “a couple of instances where he touched them under their clothes, but it was like a few seconds.” And, as he noted, his son’s victims didn’t seem to understand what had happened to them until it was subsequently explained to them.
They got very emotional as they spoke to Duggar about how they felt they failed as parents and how they came to the decision to send their son Josh to get therapy. Later on, Kelly brought up 19 Kids and Counting––which has been pulled but not cancelled by TLC––and asked, “What would make you launch a reality TV show about your family, given this past?” Jim Bob Duggar said they weren’t worried because the records were sealed and they had dealt with all this years ago.
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That was a foolish move IMO.....they would have been better keeping it in the family and getting professional help rather than subject their son to the authorities unnecessarily....and it was unnecessary.
They were so appalled by the actions that they sent the kid to some tough love camp, got him out of the house. There is no real help for a sexual perversion. If it had been worse, more than touching, who knows what they would have done.
Well gee, and when did you stop beating your spouse? If you believe their son was more emotionally balanced, mature and trouble-free than the average kid, then you and I really do live in different worlds. This whole discussion arose as a consequence of their son Josh’s situation. I said nothing about their daughters or their other sons. I didn’t attack the Duggar’s. On the contrary I said I too am imperfect and in no position to judge them.
If you live in a world where you can only define things according to an extreme, then there is no room for rational discussion. If you perceive that I take a dim view of chastity you are totally missing my point.
I did say that Michelle did come across as very naive and repressed as did her husband with respect to helping their adolescent son who was clearly acting out strong sexual urges brought on by puberty. The Duggar’s no question have a hands-off, eyes-off view of any type of intimate or boy-girl contact at all until the vows are spoken. They have every right to raise their family as they believe. However, to me, their practices did not serve them or their son well when Josh came to them at a point of crisis. This is about lovingly helping your son grow from a boy into a man with appreciation for nature, not viewing his sexual growth with a sense of sin. This has nothing to do with choosing either chastity or twerking.
“They were so appalled by the actions that they sent the kid to some tough love camp, got him out of the house. There is no real help for a sexual perversion. If it had been worse, more than touching, who knows what they would have done.”
And they did that right after the fifth time he did it. On the ball, they were.
Yes, I agree with you. And you are right that they ultimately did do the right thing in going to the authorities and reporting it and in getting some attention for their daughters. The releasing of the sealed juvenile records was a crime done by somebody clearly out to get them. I hope the Duggar’s sue whoever is responsible.
There’s a lot in this world I don’t agree with. But at the end of the day I need to focus on keeping ‘my side of the street clean’ and not be disturbed by religious or political groups to the point of rage and resentment and or obsession.
I passed through “Gothard’s Neighborhood” 30 years ago.
I try to work the 12 Steps now and find that to be more authentically spiritual than what Gothard had to offer.
That’s my experience and I would share that with people given the right circumstances.
I find it better to wish people the best in their lives than to be angry with them or start an argument.
If you are near families who are taking a wrong path, the path you take will help them more than an argument no matter how well intentioned the motives.
They did it after one of the daughters complained, evidently.
I don’t kow what your experience with this kind of thing is, but most people are in denial about even the possibility of someone they know, let alone a family member doing such a thing. I know from personal experience. People refuse to believe it.
According to them, Josh confessed multiple times. So, yes, they knew.
Here is an anecdotal story that is not personal. A twelve year girl told everyone that she knew that she was having sex with the teenage brother of a friend, whenever she visited her friend’s house and she was afraid that she might be pregnant. She even told people at the school. No one believed her. So, she changed the story to her stepfather was molesting her and everyone believed her and the police and social services were called in. It was specially believed when she added that the retired school counselor that her parents had consulted about her behavior had been abusing her and making memorize 100 Bible verses a week.
They knew that he had done something, but most of the touching was claimed to be over the clothes and I am sure that they rationalized it as not serious.
Get into the real world, hm?
Listen, Jim, I’ve seen you defending Josh Duggar’s actions all over this site, trying to portray perversion as a boy being a boy. And when you run into disagreement, your habit is to become first condescending, then hostile and insulting.
Well, you can shove all of that, because you neither impress nor intimidate me.
Apparently you need to have a few things explained to you, so pay attention.
No matter how hormonal a teenaged boy might be, preying on his sisters is not normal...even less so when one of them is scarcely past babyhood. It is not widespread, nor routine, nor understandable in any way, and anyone who believes it is should not BE around children. So keep that in mind when you start trying to justify such garbage by telling people hey, I was a boy once. They might look at you funny.
The Duggars lied all over the place in that interview last night. They completely contradicted the police report.
Last night they said Josh touched the girls over their clothes, and they never knew what happened. But they told the police one of the girls came to them, crying, and they did nothing until months later when it happened again (also putting the lie to their claim that they first found out when Josh confessed).
The police report states that Josh repeatedly entered the girls’ rooms, pulled up their gowns, and “forcibly” fondled their breasts and vaginas. Also, he was caught with his hand up his five year-old sister’s skirt, as he held her on his lap under the guise of reading a book.
And there is nothing even remotely normal about any of it.
One doesn’t have to be a prude to understand the grossness of such behavior. One would hope everyone would be able to grasp this basic morality. So you take your sneering condescension, and your hunger to justify the groping of babies and peddle it elsewhere...I don’t know, maybe you can find some pervert and try it out on him, it might make him feel better about himself.
Thank you
That's what they said last night, but they told the police something very different.
That's my opinion too!
FWIW, this adolescent behavior of "touching" is more prevalent than people realize and I suspect there are many males here who have used certain circumstances to "cop a feel" when they were kids.
There was a caller into Rush today who detailed what he went thru when he found out his 12 year old son had "copped a feel" and he felt he was doing the right thing in contacting an agency that dealt with this sort of behavior.
He called this agency on an unregistered cell phone fearing repercussions and the agency told him he had nothing to fear that he would remain anonymous.
Within hours police cars arrived at his house and his son was taken by CPS.......
It took him a year, two attorneys, $10,000 and a final statement from his child's psychologist that the child wasn't a pervert to get his kid cleared.
As a side note, I wonder how many guys here have fantasized about or even tried to get a glimpse into their high school girls' locker room?.........LOL!
You cannot actually be sure what they told the police because the man who took the report was convicted on child porn charges about five years later and all they have is his word about what he was told and why he declined to press charges. The Duggars say he is lying. They say that they aren’t sure why he is lying, but it looks like he s trying to cover his own butt.
I was thinking about the story that I told you about the molestation of my friend’s daughter and how no one believed her, not even her parents.
By the time the girl was 12, the molestation had been going on for three years and progressed from playing Doctor to full intercourse. The girl had also become a sociopathic liar. That was the reason that no one believed her. That is also the reason that her parents had brought in a counselor.
Did you know that studies indicate that close to ninety percent of identified sociopathic liars were molested as children? Think about that the next time you hear about a sociopathic liar.
Well, he was a personal friend of the Duggar father, so I would say he chose his friends poorly.
Besides, the trooper friend who was convicted of child porn wasn’t the officer who made the report. All he did was come to the house, off the record, and talk to Josh. It was about three years later when the Duggar parents were called in to be interviewed by the cops & the report was made.
The Duggars were lying last night.
“They knew that he had done something, but most of the touching was claimed to be over the clothes and I am sure that they rationalized it as not serious.”
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Did you even listen and watch the interview last night? If so, you’d should realize they took it as very serious and tried to handle it as best they could.
Based upon your comments, I’m sure you’d rather they have sent their 14 year old son to the Statists for proper handling.
Nothing about this family is what one would call, “normal”, but that doesn’t justify the witch hunt tactics that they have been subjected to, especially when we consider how the media and public critics ignored the Lena Dunham story.
“...The Duggars were lying last night.”
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It’s really good that we have knowledgeable and holy folks like you around to keep us all straight.
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