Posted on 05/29/2015 4:51:25 AM PDT by don-o
As unanswered questions and controversy mount over the shooting outside a Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas, there is a growing movement by motorcycle riders to protest what they see as troubling overreach by the authorities.
Breitbart Texas has previously reported on a number of inconsistencies in the story that Waco Police have told about the deadly incident. There’s a growing awareness that there seems to be much more to the story than originally reported, and bikers are taking action.
The Confederation of Clubs and Independents (CoC&I) — a political group focused on biker rights — has issued a Call To Action, urging citizens to contact law enforcement and politicians. The CoC&I has a direct connection to the Waco events, because the shooting happened outside their scheduled meeting at Twin Peaks. As the group says on its webpage:
This was a Confederation of Clubs and Independents meeting solely intended to discuss legal and political issues. It was not, as has been reported, a gang meeting to discuss turf. COC meetings have been occurring in Texas and nationwide for decades without a single violent incident. The myth being purported is simply false.
Video from inside the restaurant clearly shows the vast majority of bikers running away from the shooting and even helping civilians get to safety. Remember, law enforcement was on the scene and should have a clear picture of aggressors and victims. This should not be a guessing game. But it appears that the Waco PD arrested the majority of eyewitnesses and rights activists present at a publicly promoted political event.
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What do you make of the fact that 115 of those detained in Waco have no criminal record?
Are you OK with LE rounding up Americans when they feel it is the right thing to do?
“And, I think they know this.”
which might lead one to expect more releases this week?
{^) Great post! Thanks for such a clear explanation, too.
I sense that this Waco thing is a hinge point, a turning point we just haven't caught it yet.
Holy cow.
Ru, do you live in a cellar or an attic or something? The public wasn't in any danger until the cops started shooting. Oh. Except it was the bikers who were shooting, right?
You must live in an attic or a cellar if you don't comprehend that a "bad" biker is going to have a prior record much more likely than not. Bad bikers don't usually have jobs, unless you count crime and drug-running. So how is it that the guys who get tossed in jail are worried about losing their jobs? Is it possible that these guys went and arrested a bunch of Sunday "bikers" in a 9-dead-civilian shoot-out and are now scrambling to cover their asses? It kinda looks like maybe, at least a little bit.
Admitted, they're only talking about criminal records in Texas, and maybe two-thirds of those folks they arrested and held on insanely excessive bail have criminal records in other states. If not, if 2/3rds of these guys don't even have criminal records, it means LEO went way sideways in overkill, literally.
No matter what the news doesn't report. We have brains.
No one is forcing meth or whatever else on us and the criminals know we wouldn’t take it well if they tried to be more overt. As long as they are happy to hide in the dark they can get by but we wouldn’t take crap from them any more than we would a feral gummint run amok. They know Americans just want to be left alone to live our lives in as much peace as possible, as do they. Yamamoto’s “sleeping giant” can be roused by a number of events. Crap like Ludlow and Waco will do it just as surely as Pearl Harbor or the Alamo.
Amen brother FReeper. I think you are right, and I hope you are right. Live and let live, love Christ, and love your neighbor as yourself.
“I still wonder who are the owners of the commercial incarceration facility, and whether they might have a conflict of interest.”
My county auditor’s site lists, by address of the building, the owner, and the address of the property tax payer. One should be able to find that info for the county; if not online, it is still public information; one might have to go to the court house.
Don’t expect an answer.
“9-dead-civilian shoot-out”
I have seen more than one report that the dead and wounded were Cossacks (or affiliates) or Bandidos (or affiliates). Fortunately there were no non-gang civilians killed or wounded.
“Maybe that wasn’t the case at all, and the response was to someone shooting in the parking lot, to stop the shooter...which could have led to more drawing weapons and returning fire, although there is no evidence that happened (bullet holes, broken vehicle glass, etc.).”
Yes it is possible that the response was to someone shooting in the parking lot. The dispatch audio supports that there was fire from TP towards the cops. A viable hypothesis has to account for / explain all information.
It is certainly tragic that anyone was killed or wounded.
The Chinese curse comes o mind. These are certainly interesting times. We have to be alert and take careful note. This Waco shooting is a tipping point, IMHO. We absolutely have to hold feet to the fire here. Otherwise the flames get way out of control.
And I do appreciate your reasoned reply.
Servus!
Dang. That was quick. I thought it had an aroma. Retread?
Yep
They were not soldiers, they were not policemen, they were not fugitives, they were civilians. And they're dead. Furthermore, they were shot at with innocent civilians in the vicinity.
The folks in jail without criminal records but who are being held on million dollar bail tell the real story. That's why they're in there incommunicado and why the bail was set so high they can't get out.
A little update -- so far, I've gleaned that PERHAPS eight were Cossacks and 1 a Bandido MC member ... but ON THE OTHER HAND, the family of shot-to-death Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, an active-duty Marine from 69-73 and a Purple Heart recipient, maintain that he was NOT part of any motorcycle gang. That behavior is ONLY consistent with truth; if he was a member and the family denied it or wasn't aware ... that's way far fetched. I believe the family because frankly, they are more believable than the officials.
You default to believing the LEOs even when it sounds fake.
That's dumb.
SIGH!~
~Too much information so in brackets.~ [I tried to turn this all over to the Lord today at Church, this Waco situation. Truly, I thought, this is taking too much of my time. I have had experiences previously, that when the Lord doesn’t take something off my back, I am not trying hard enough to turn it over to Him, OR . . . it is something I am still supposed to do. I try to pray each morning — Lord, help me to do Thy Holy Will. I have read that if one is truly trying to to the Lord’s Will, one probably is . . .
SO apparently, here I come again, despite my own desires!! Just saying. I guess for whatever reason, I am supposed to keep contributing to this forum. I truly, would rather not! I have had more than my fill of it.]
SO TO THE POINT!
I looked again at the fill-in-the-blank affidavit. I cannot tell from the source that all the 170 had the same exact charges. There was a reference to a 500 page document that I could not find. The records are not on-line, as they would be in my county. So although they are public record, if they are not on-line, someone has to go to the court house to determine the precise charges against each person arrested. There could have been more than one exemplar of fill-in-the-blank affidavits. Just do not know.
I think RICO will / should / could stick to those arrested who were wearing Cossack or Bandidos colors, despite no prior records? Similarly, closely associated clubs. Scimitars? Don’t know. They should / could have known their association to a criminal gang.
As to the independents, non-affiliated . . . probably more releases. Could their association with the confederation of clubs and independents, under the Bandidos, in itself constitute a RICO offense? Do not know.
However, the DA in an earlier interview, said he would consider reduced bonds, but people had to be forthcoming with their testimonies. Other charges? Obstructing an investigation? I do not and cannot know from here.
However, I hope and pray that any excesses on the part of (not the cops but the DA and judge etc.) would not undermine the very legitimate message that, lawful bikers should not ride with criminal bikers.
Just, I say, stop riding with or with the permission of the criminal bikers. We all salute the flag-waving legitimate bikers. BUT those who ride with or with the permission of the true criminals . . . are part of the problem, not of the solution. Knowingly or willingly or not (BUT they do indeed have reason to know), they are part of the problem not of the solution.
This is — too much information so in brackets [gut-wrenching, heart-rending].
Very much in Servus, of course.
Wrong. So wrong. If the authorities have evidence of a crime committed by anyone let them take it before a judge. Lying in wait behind a scoped rifle at one hundred yards or less is not the behavior I want to pay for when it is pointed at US. Like I have posted previously, if we are gonna start pulling triggers on folks who stand in the way of making our country better I can think of a much better place to begin than the parking lot of a titty bar and targets whose loss could benefit our country far more than a handful of petty criminal morons (apologies to petty criminal morons).
“Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, an active-duty Marine from 69-73 and a Purple Heart recipient.”
I am of course appreciative or his service to his country, and saddened at his death, and the deaths of the other eight. There is IMHO no political hay to be made from this tragedy. That does not imply that inter gang violence did not precipitate LE fire. Rodriguez was a victim of either intra gang or LE fire.
Honorable veterans need not ride with gangster MC clubs, nor under their auspices, such as the confederation of clubs and independents, which is under the auspices of the Bandidos. Honorable vets, please cease riding with or under the auspices of the outlaw gangs.
Veterans largely and in many ways still serve our society and one way they can still serve our society, is to cease any and all association with criminal gangs. Most do.
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