Posted on 05/27/2015 12:02:55 PM PDT by Enlightened1
Now, with Beijing set to enforce what is effectively a no-fly zone over its new sovereign ‘territory’ we bring you the following graphic from WSJ which shows that when it comes to sheer size, China’s air force and Navy are beyond compare.
China’s promise to beef up its naval capabilities to prevent further “meddling” and “provocative actions” by rivals in the South China Sea is a daunting prospect for most of its neighbors, which already view Beijing’s fast-improving armed forces with trepidation...
As a recent Pentagon review of China’s military modernization drive noted, “China is investing in capabilities designed to defeat adversary power projection and counter third-party—including U.S.—intervention during a crisis or conflict.” In practice, that means hundreds of ballistic and cruise missiles positioned near the coast to deter Japanese or American warships from coming anywhere near Chinese territory. China has a substantial submarine fleet as well, piling on more risk for enemy ships.
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That is the entire Chinese team vs. our one strike force.
How quickly could we transfer other ships to the area?
Whether the nance in the white house would is another matter.
That is the entire Chinese team vs. our one strike force.
How quickly could we transfer other ships to the area?
Well if this was 1899, then I would say we are screwed.
But this is China, a nation that couldn’t project military power if it was inside a movie theater. Those ships would be sitting ducks, and those jets would be tracked the moment they left the hanger, if we let them.
But then again, look at who is the C-in-C over here, so who knows.
In the big chess game of diplomacy in the Pacific, we can always send in our welfare queens.
Not fast enough to stop an ass kicking.
The only real equalizer here IMO is nukes.
“Free” Trade dies, and that is good.
Sharks & crustaceans would be the big winners.
Good thing it’s solely not a numbers game.
The IJN and US Navy can take care of the Chicoms. They’re stuck in the 1970s still.
Good thing it’s solely not a numbers game.
The IJN and US Navy can take care of the Chicoms. They’re stuck in the 1970s still.
That is a darn good line.
1. Why is Taiwan excluded?
2. Which is better, 2 submarines that no one can find or 58 submarines that are sitting ducks?
3. How well will China do once we cut off trade with them and we freeze all their accounts/bonds/etc?
Obama would see to it that every sailor was fish-food and our ships and planes formed an undersea habitat; no matter how many we sent. If it “came to blows,” our best move would be get out alive. As long as Obama, Harf, Kerry, Jarret, Bill Ayers, and Soros are at the helm, and we’re depending on Boehner and McConnell to keep them honest, we’re better off doing nothing.
It’s probably best not to nurse any hope that America will dominate the world ever again: allow China to own the Pacific, allow Russia to own Eastern Europe, disparate strongmen to own Latin America, and allow the Oligarchs to own Western Europe. There’s still hope that the people can take back this hunk of ground.
“those jets would be tracked the moment they left the hanger”
I know what you’re saying, but I keep thinking about those columns of white Toyotas that keep making their way from one Iraqi city to the next. I figure they’d be easier to track than a few jets with highly-lethal ordinance.
I’d wager we have more than 2 subs in the entire Pacific. Are those just the ones that are part of the carrier group?
You can’t graph the will powers of these two nations/people.
Chances are we already have other ships in the area. Particularly attack and guided missile submarines, which usually operate independently of carrier groups. And I think we usually have a few Aegis ships tasked with ballistic missile defense in the area too. And can certainly surge more.
We can deploy a LOT of airpower to Guam and Japan pretty quickly. But that moves them into the target zone for ChiCom ballistic missiles.
Oh, and the Navy is about to do a three-way deck swap with CVNs with Roosevelt, Washington and Reagan. Over the next several months there will be more CSGs available in the region than is normally the case.
And thats before factoring in the US’s qualitative superiority in just about all areas.
Iow, the chart may be “accurate” but it’s also BS.
“How quickly could we transfer other ships to the area?”
Judging from past military responses of the Current Regime, the ships would just never get there. It would be another “red line” that would simply disappear in the waters of the China Sea, much like the “red line” in the Ukraine, and in Syria, and in the negotiations with Iran concerning the number and kinds of uranium refining techniques they would cease to pursue.
The strike force now in the area would simply be sacrificed, or ordered to withdraw to Hawaii.
You people of Japan and the Philippines, you are on your own.
With Obama in charge—he hasn’t the will to fight. Japan would be on her own (maybe Vietnam could help) I don’t see USA moving because of all the debt we owe China. The worst think that would happen is US People boycotting Wal Mart. That being said—Japan has a long tradition of Naval warfare—China doen’t. Even without US help—Japan might defeat China at sea—but would China go Nuclear? Would Japan counter in some way? How long would it take Japan to build and deploy an A-Bomb? A week or two? EMP attacks and Cyber Attacks would be used in this new form of war. In this Japan has the edge. If Japan had India on her side (or Russia?) the war would be won without Obama’s Chicken do do America.
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