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"We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin

[ClearCase_guy]

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[Nifster]

IF the thugs who ride motorcycles had been even a bit less 1% I might actually be outraged. These yobs have sold drugs, raped women, beaten people, and murdered those they don’t like. Telling me that this is even remotely like what Niemoller was talking about is the height of insanity.

If you want to make the actual analogy then try looking at what the courts are doing to businesses who do not wish to deal with homosexuals.

Complaining about the civil authorities interaction with criminal ganga and activities is not at all the same thing

[null and void]

At no point in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason ~ nully's son

The biggest killer of mankind

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

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[Nifster]

“The same tactics has been going on for decades with the inner city black kids: another politically powerless, marginalized and demonized group. The cops know these black kids are just as easy prey as the white bikers: the group is just as demonized, and therefore can’t count on any public sympathy. “You know, young black males are the majority of the prison population.” Of course they are, given that the actions of the police almost never undergo any scrutiny, and that planting marijuana on a “suspect” is a regular practice for police. And, not to forget, the prisons are private and the prison-industrial complex makes money on every inmate. Could it be that the majority of young black males in prison are there on trumped-up charges? What resort do they have against police lies? How many people in the general population will take the word of an inner city young black male over the word of a cop?

Come on this is communist propaganda at it’s very worst.

[dp0622]

I’m telling you what happened in Waco to the bikers was a very very bad sign of things to come. I just don’t know what to do about it. I’m not that smart.I don’t believe some massive gun fight broke out among the bikers and the SWAT team was forced to take them out.
as far as the part of the article that says that blacks are targeted group, my experience driving a cab showed me that they make themselves targets and I don’t recall any being shot during major riot

[LucyT]

[Dallas59]

Socialists, Unions, and other political parties aren’t races.

[House Atreides]

“...The massacre in Waco of a few days ago bears all the marks of this tactics. A group is picked so small and marginal that most people won’t associate with them. The group is then marginalized and demonized, and all kinds of false accusations are said about them – violence, illegal drugs, illegal weapons, etc. Then, when the group is so marginalized that the majority of the population won’t trust them, and won’t take their word for anything, the government ambushes them and guns them down. The group is scared and subdued. The police are trained and conditioned to not question orders – they will need that conditioning for later, when the “enemy” is moms, or old people, or kids.

And the public? The public is conditioned to disengage. “I didn’t say anything because I was not a biker.”

It was that same Waco that saw an earlier version of the same tactics, with the Branch Davidians. Everyone disengaged, because no one was a Branch Davidian, and the government was able to demonize the small sect enough to cover its own crimes. If the people of Waco were awake to what was happening, and if they had a Solzhenitsyn to tell them what to do, the whole town would be there shooting at those FBI and ATF murderers. But when the government comes for the smaller groups, most people prefer to remain silent....”
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I have been bitterly disappointed that a number of FReepers (of the low-information, low-discernment type) so quickly fell for this tactic. These stupid creatures were quick to join in the vilification of the “bikers” and reveled in the murders carried out in this DOJ/ATF/local police operation.

[sport]

Should, for old time’s sake, we ping Alaska Wolf? I am sure he would have some words of wisdom about these nasty old motorcycle gangs getting their comeuppance from the brave police officers.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

First they came for the crack-dealers.

Then they came for the contract killers.

Then they came for MS-13.

Then they came for the coke-dealing biker gangs.

Then they came for the pedophiles.

Then they came for the terrorist imams.

Then they came for the mexican gangs.

Then they came for the Bloods and the Crips.

Then they came for the Hells Angels.

Then they came for the bank tellers Then everyone lived happily ever after.

[JJ_Folderol]

From what I’ve read so far, the bikers killed the first three in the parking lot but I don’t know about the rest. That would agree with the three bodies in a parking lot photo.

Fourteen police were suspended ‘as is normal in a police shooting incident’ (paraphrased) so that may account for rest of the dead.

One account said that the police were firing in the direction of the patio where most of the folks were gathered. That may account for most of the injuries sustained.

At this point we’re being spun all over the place and the largest part of the information is being withheld.

I’ll buy this particular line of paranoia if and when it’s proven.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"The group is then marginalized and demonized, and all kinds of false accusations are said about them – violence, illegal drugs, illegal weapons, etc."

Stopped reading there. The author has no integrity at all.

[easternsky]

I agree completely and said this last week as did others, but there are those that are Rabid about this subject and no amount of warning how this is a prelude of things to come does not register with them perhaps fear not sure.

[Salamander]

“Which do you want showing up in your driveway?” Ping

[kiryandil]

As the saying goes: "You hate most in others what you see in yourself"

I've often wondered if that's why America has always foamed at the mouth at the mere mention of "Nazis" [but not NatCs, LOL!].

Perhaps we're subconsciously aware that we're a gnat's whisker away from a Police State, and always have been.

Wonder what the Founders did without streets crawling with State enforcers?

[grumpygresh]

If we do have a financial collapse, natural disaster, or war later in September, Jade Helm will likely go live. That would give the fascists cover for JH participants to do their extractions of high value dissidents, resisting veterans. The media would necessarily be distracted by the big events so that a relatively few extractions (which could run in the thousands or more) would go under the radar.
Alternatively, coinciding with an event like a financial collapse, the fascists could run a false flag blaming liberty/patriot movement or invite in ISIS to attack. That would give more impetus to a round-up and regional martial law.
In order to defuse such a nefarious act, we do need to talk about the possibilities. Maybe just say something like, I think September or the Fall is going to be rough. I’m worried about the government response to a collapse. When something does happen, the fascist propaganda machine will be out in full force and without a warning, most people will be fooled by the fascists.

[stockpirate]

What a complete load of horse S**T, “first they came for the socialists” the NAZI Party were socialists, fascists are socialists, “Then they came for the trade unionists, They helped install the NAZI’s.

First they came for the TEA Party. there now we have it.

[stockpirate]

First they came for the unborn babies and I did nothing.

[truth_seeker]

Joseph Columbo started the “Italian-American Civil Rights League” as a means to have the public at large provide respectability, and cover for crimes by his organized criminal families.

The membership at peak reached 100,000.

Nonetheless Columbo was gunned down in public by a competing crime family member at a League event.

Law Enforcement stayed focused on the criminal familes.

I think it is naïve for non-criminal biker groups to voluntarily associate and therefore provide cover, respectability to the criiminals.

Bandidos = criminal
Cossacks = criminal

Guess what? That was KNOWN before the confab, which police discouraged the restaurant owner from hosting.

IOW law enforcement tried to avoid trouble. They next came to observe the event, for they continued to expect that there MIGHT be trouble.

When they came for the Mafia, the other Italian Americans said “take them, all of them, they are not us.”

The good biker groups should likewise say “take the criminals. Take them all. They are not us.”

But apparently the good guys are so intimidated, they seemingly feel compelled to give the outlaws credibility, respectability and cover.

What if they........stood up to the criminals?

But, no articles like this suggest the cops are wrong, when it is the criminals that are wrong.