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1 posted on 05/25/2015 10:41:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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No matter how bad a government program is, someone will benefit and would suffer horribly if the eeevil Republicans take it away from the poor, the widows and the starving orphans...
The media play this tune every time someone try to cut back or fix something.
Never mind the pain implementing this in the first place, or the millions for which 0bamacare is worse than what they used to have.

35 posted on 05/25/2015 12:17:26 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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Bump


37 posted on 05/25/2015 12:24:06 PM PDT by lowbridge
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And the nation will really suffer if it is not canceled.


39 posted on 05/25/2015 12:28:39 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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As a side note to this thread, consider that Obamacare is another consequence of the 17th Amendment (17A). More about 17A shortly.

As mentioned in related threads, regardless what Obama’s activist justices want everybody to think about the constitutionality of Obamacare, the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for intrastate healthcare purposes. This is evidenced by the excerpts from historical Supreme Court case opinions towards the end of this post.

The constitutional reality is that each state should have its own, 10th Amendment-protected healthcare program if that’s what a give state’s voters want, RomneyCare a rough example.

The reason that the corrupt federal government is trying to force unconstitutional federal healthcare on the states gets us back to the 17th Amendment.

More specifically, the Founding States had not only established the federal Senate, but had given the power to vote for senators uniquely to state lawmakers. The reason that only state lawmakers could vote for federal senators was so that senators would protect their states in Congress by killing bills which not only steal state powers, but also state revenues assoctiated with those powers, intrastate healthcare now added to the list of stolen state powers.

In fact, the Supreme Court has historically clarified that Congress is prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue which Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, such powers not including healthcare as evidenced by the excerpts at the end of this post.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

But as a consequence of ill-conceived 17A, low-information voters now go home after voting for their favorite federal senators and watch football, clueless that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to establish things like Obamacare. As a consequence, corrupt senators get away with stealing from their own states by passing unconstitutional bills like Obamacare instead of killing it.

In fact, the Senate is constitutionally obligated to lead Congress to successfully propose a healthcare amendment to the Constitution to the states before passing such a bill.

And what’s worse is that the Senate then confirms activist justices who declare unconstitutional laws like Obamacare to be constitutional.

What a racket!

Below are excerpts from Supreme Court case opinions which clarify that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate intrastate healthcare.

Regarding the constitutionality of Obamacare insurance which activist justices are now probably looking for an excuse to justify, please note the third entry in the list below from Paul v. Virginia. That excerpt clarifies that insurance policies are a simple contract, not commerce. And Congress’s Commerce Clause powers do not extend to regulating insurance policies, even if buyer and seller belong to different states.

Again, there’s never been anything stopping the states from establishing their own healthcare programs, or from amending the Constitution to expressly grant such powers to the feds.

The 17th Amendment needs to disappear, and corrupt senators and activist justices along with it.

40 posted on 05/25/2015 12:34:09 PM PDT by Amendment10
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Anyone losing their coverage are democrats anyway!!


41 posted on 05/25/2015 12:45:48 PM PDT by ontap
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Bring it on.


42 posted on 05/25/2015 12:51:20 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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“SeeBS: GOP Could Suffer Fallout If Supreme Court Rules To Eliminate Obamacare For Millions”

The story line is unintentionally correct.

The fallout will be when McConnell/Boehner, with enough Republican establishment and Dim votes, push through a bill to continue the ObummerCare subsidies. The result will be a huge fallout among the Republican base, already fed up with CRomnibus, funding the None’s illegal amnesty, the secret TPP trade deal, and McConnell/Boehner pushing for a full blown extension of government spying on its citizens.


43 posted on 05/25/2015 1:06:22 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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Wait...the by-line says CBS Bay Area. That explains it.


44 posted on 05/25/2015 1:27:37 PM PDT by pfflier
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We don't see it that way. In a nation where the GOP has been handed a vote of "no confidence" by it's own grass roots base members, the elimination of any portion of Obama's multifaceted socialism would likely restore some measure of that confidence. It may herald the notion that "maybe we are on the same team after all". I'm pretty cynical; so it'll take more than that to turn my ear. But many of us are not so cynical. And, furthermore, many of us would cling to any sign the party wants to be fixed. So I do think it would be a positive moment for the GOP, undeserved or otherwise.


45 posted on 05/25/2015 1:39:58 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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Almost spit Ice tea all over the place when I saw the “SeeBS”!


46 posted on 05/25/2015 1:43:07 PM PDT by Duckdog (If it wasn't for NASCAR my TV would have gone out the window years ago!)
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Twenty-six of the 34 states that would be most affected by the ruling have Republican governors. And 22 of the 24 GOP Senate seats up for election next year are in those states.

In the court case, opponents of the law argue that its literal wording allows subsidies only in states that set up their own health insurance markets. Most Republican-leaning states have not done so.


More liberal illogic from San Fran.

In states that voted Republican, the voters did NOT want Obamacare or they would've voted Democrat. If aspects of Ocare are deemed unconstitutional, said voters would realize those that wrote and voted for the law violated the Constitution, NOT the Republicans. And if Ocare crashed and burned because of the liberals' incompetence in writing the law, Republican voters are the last ones to be upset.
47 posted on 05/25/2015 2:30:21 PM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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If democrats write a law in a fashion that’s illegal it’s NOT our fault... Of course the liars in the MSM - the ringers like George Stephanopoulos will play it that way.

In the short run the networks ‘win’ in the long run they’ll die like biased newspapers.


50 posted on 05/25/2015 3:00:43 PM PDT by GOPJ ("The left hates those who confront evil" - Charlie Daniels)
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Think about the parts the GOP is fighting. The delay of the employer mandate: The GOP wants the president to implement a part of the law that would be a huge burden on business owners. The subsidies: The GOP wants to enforce a part of the law that takes away poor people’s subsidies because their state lawmakers refused to set up exchanges. Why is this the hill they’re choosing to die on? It’s not. They’re just playing a well-scripted game. This will marginalize the conservative base and make the Establishment into moderate heroes.

When the subsidies are ended, the conservatives will launch a campaign to kill Ocare completely. The Rats and the media will cast it as a battle over the subsidies alone.


52 posted on 05/25/2015 5:51:52 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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GOP Could Suffer Fallout If Supreme Court Rules To Eliminate Obamacare For Millions

"Told ya so!"

(shut up, Karl)


53 posted on 05/25/2015 5:58:52 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'll vote for Jeb when Terri Schiavo endorses him.)
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They know it is doomed........ they are attempting to create a structure of blame to escape the horrible truth


56 posted on 05/26/2015 5:47:18 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
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