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SeeBS: GOP Could Suffer Fallout If Supreme Court Rules To Eliminate Obamacare For Millions
CBS SF Bay Area ^ | May 25, 2015 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/25/2015 10:41:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yeah, too bad the court has an obligation to not allow funding for an unapproved activity.


21 posted on 05/25/2015 11:17:51 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Jane Long

Correct, those guys want it in place to use it as leverage they will never get rid of.


22 posted on 05/25/2015 11:18:21 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Those Republicans will be in damage control mode with all of their contributors who have benefitted from Obamacare. In the real world, people will be thrilled to get the feds out of their health care decisions.


23 posted on 05/25/2015 11:21:07 AM PDT by grania
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

From what I understand millions of Americans still don’t have medical insurance because of the stratospheric cost of 0care. People just ain’t signing up. No matter how much advertising and/or moral suasion by the obamas, nobody wants it. Even the original Obamacare girl wanted out.

Republicans better find a way to counter all the lies and half-truths from the press and television media. If not they’ve lost before the game has actually begun.


24 posted on 05/25/2015 11:22:07 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christianity is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: entropy12

From your mouth to Allah’s ear, as the saying goes...


25 posted on 05/25/2015 11:25:19 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

good! two birds with one stone!!


26 posted on 05/25/2015 11:31:33 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The only way this would work is if SCOTUS overturned Obamacare just before the election, and the media went splodeynanas about how it was the republican’s fault.

That would require coordination between SCOTUS, MSM, DNC, and the White House.

“Vote Democrat NOW to save your free health care!” Sounds a little like Vote Dem NOW or the Pubbies will cancel your Soshakurity!

Don’t worry, they would never stoop so low just to win an election and lock in a permanent Dem voter base.


27 posted on 05/25/2015 11:33:34 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Paulie

“From what I understand millions of Americans still don’t have medical insurance...”

47 million were unisnsured when Ocare started, 7 million supposedly signed up.

“Republicans better find a way to counter all the lies and half-truths...”

GOP pols have never been good at that.


28 posted on 05/25/2015 11:34:04 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (NSA: The only government agency that really listens.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The MSM know the judges read the papers. This is their way of trying to influence the decisions.


29 posted on 05/25/2015 11:44:04 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The conservatives in the GOP could “grab the bull by the horns”, to bring back privatized medicine at the national level. To be acceptable to the public, it has to have several key ingredients.

1) To start with, reassure Medicare recipients that they will continue to get their Medicare. However, nobody else is put in the Medicare system after a given cut off date. Medicare’s evil twin, Social Security, is ended the same way, with nobody new entering the system.

2) Strongly restrict insurance for routine health care. Insurance should only be for catastrophic and long term care.

3) End the data gathering parts of HIPAA, as well as making it a federal crime to access patient records without their permission, as well as the restoration of doctor patient privilege without a signed warrant for those particular records.

4) Medicaid will be given to the states as block grants, and federal guidelines for the spending of Medicaid money will be voluntary for the states.

5) Right now some doctors have discovered that if they do not take Medicare, Medicaid or insurance, their costs are so low that they can provide the same level of care for 50% less as well as make more money. So this is the preferred form for full privatization. HMOs will still exist, however.


30 posted on 05/25/2015 11:49:03 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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A Supreme Court ruling due in late June could wipe out health insurance for millions of people covered by the president’s health care law.

A massively misleading statement. The health insurance will still be there, as poor as the coverage it offers may be. It may be more expensive without the subsidies, but hey...the law is the law, right?
31 posted on 05/25/2015 11:54:48 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Like they suffered in the 2014 mid-terms!!


32 posted on 05/25/2015 11:58:33 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Secret Agent Man
"the system in effect before Obama worked well."

"I actually do not believe this"

Call me a cynic, but IMO all Obamacare did was replace a costly and dysfunctional health care system with one that is costlier and even more dysfunctional.

According to the CIA World Factbook, the US ranks 51st in life expectancy at birth, but we spend almost twice as much for our health care as any other developed country.

Can Republicans even begin to address this? It took 70 years to create it, I am skeptical that it can be fixed during my lifetime. That's no matter what the SC decides here.

33 posted on 05/25/2015 12:01:05 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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One of the things those statistics say is the USA has a much higher infant mortality rate, but that's because other countries don't even count preemies in their rate because they don't even try to save them.

The USA tries to save preemies, and a lot of them die anyway. Eliminate those preemies from the statistics and we have a lower infant mortality rate.

34 posted on 05/25/2015 12:06:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islamophobia. A word created by fascists and used by cowards to manipulate morons. -- Andrew Cummins)
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No matter how bad a government program is, someone will benefit and would suffer horribly if the eeevil Republicans take it away from the poor, the widows and the starving orphans...
The media play this tune every time someone try to cut back or fix something.
Never mind the pain implementing this in the first place, or the millions for which 0bamacare is worse than what they used to have.

35 posted on 05/25/2015 12:17:26 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: entropy12

And I now hope that Ginsberg stays on through the end of 0bama’s term, such that the next President gets to appoint the next Justice.

Always and ever living God, may it be Your will that Ted Cruz be the 45th President of this great nation!


36 posted on 05/25/2015 12:19:42 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (I believe it ! He's alive! Sweet Jesus!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Bump


37 posted on 05/25/2015 12:24:06 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: babble-on
Jeffrey Toobin wrote the exact opposite article this week. Says the White House OWNS the health care system, and whatever bad (or good) that happens accrues to their side of the ledger.

So if the Supreme Court rules against Obamacare then the Democrats will immediately propose a one line change to Obamacare that will correct the issue the Supreme Court ruled on. And if the Republicans vote that down then the will own it.

38 posted on 05/25/2015 12:27:25 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And the nation will really suffer if it is not canceled.


39 posted on 05/25/2015 12:28:39 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; All
As a side note to this thread, consider that Obamacare is another consequence of the 17th Amendment (17A). More about 17A shortly.

As mentioned in related threads, regardless what Obama’s activist justices want everybody to think about the constitutionality of Obamacare, the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for intrastate healthcare purposes. This is evidenced by the excerpts from historical Supreme Court case opinions towards the end of this post.

The constitutional reality is that each state should have its own, 10th Amendment-protected healthcare program if that’s what a give state’s voters want, RomneyCare a rough example.

The reason that the corrupt federal government is trying to force unconstitutional federal healthcare on the states gets us back to the 17th Amendment.

More specifically, the Founding States had not only established the federal Senate, but had given the power to vote for senators uniquely to state lawmakers. The reason that only state lawmakers could vote for federal senators was so that senators would protect their states in Congress by killing bills which not only steal state powers, but also state revenues assoctiated with those powers, intrastate healthcare now added to the list of stolen state powers.

In fact, the Supreme Court has historically clarified that Congress is prohibited from laying taxes in the name of state power issues, essentially any issue which Congress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, such powers not including healthcare as evidenced by the excerpts at the end of this post.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

But as a consequence of ill-conceived 17A, low-information voters now go home after voting for their favorite federal senators and watch football, clueless that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to establish things like Obamacare. As a consequence, corrupt senators get away with stealing from their own states by passing unconstitutional bills like Obamacare instead of killing it.

In fact, the Senate is constitutionally obligated to lead Congress to successfully propose a healthcare amendment to the Constitution to the states before passing such a bill.

And what’s worse is that the Senate then confirms activist justices who declare unconstitutional laws like Obamacare to be constitutional.

What a racket!

Below are excerpts from Supreme Court case opinions which clarify that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate intrastate healthcare.

Regarding the constitutionality of Obamacare insurance which activist justices are now probably looking for an excuse to justify, please note the third entry in the list below from Paul v. Virginia. That excerpt clarifies that insurance policies are a simple contract, not commerce. And Congress’s Commerce Clause powers do not extend to regulating insurance policies, even if buyer and seller belong to different states.

Again, there’s never been anything stopping the states from establishing their own healthcare programs, or from amending the Constitution to expressly grant such powers to the feds.

The 17th Amendment needs to disappear, and corrupt senators and activist justices along with it.

40 posted on 05/25/2015 12:34:09 PM PDT by Amendment10
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