Posted on 05/21/2015 5:37:51 AM PDT by Jack Black
The bloody incident at Waco’s Twin Peaks restaurant was not a “biker shootout.” At present there is no evidence that any of the nine victims were killed by fellow bikers, rather than being “taken out” by the scores of police — including snipers — who had effectively turned the parking lot into a kill zone.
The Twin Peaks Massacre has prompted the predictable outpouring of state-centered outrage over the purported threat posed by Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs (OMCs). Buried beneath the blizzard of re-purposed official press releases is a critical disclosure made by former FBI undercover operative John Matthews: During the 1990s, as part of the FBI’s PATCON (Patriot Conspiracy) operation, Matthews and his handler, Donald Jarrett, sold illegally converted full-auto machine guns to narcotics-dealing motorcycle gangs. (I first reported about this in early March.) This was done through one of the firearms stores later forced by the ATF into participating in the “Fast & Furious” gun-walking scandal, in which firearms of that kind were provided to operatives of Mexican criminal cartels.
“As we talk of gun control … over the years [of] how many cases of sporterized SKS, AK47s, and SKSs were sold to groups and case after case of ammo for them all with the blessings of the FBI & ATF with no paper work,” Matthews wrote in a November 8, 2014 email (lightly edited here for spelling and grammar). “Also let’s not forget the AR15s, they were made full auto from the Lone Wolf gun store back in the 90s by a guy brought in by the FBI for me to put in place. Those guns went to bikers who were sell[ing] drugs on the border. Those drugs were [believed] to be coming in from China.”
In March 2013 correspondence with Jarrett, Matthews referred to the David Mann, the dealer brought in by the FBI to broker the firearms transaction with the biker gang.
“I [would] pick him up in Payson, AZ on our way up to Surplus & Stuff in Snowflake … and met with a guy name[d] Tim,” Matthews recalled in a March 28, 2013 email to Jarrett. “He [would] show him his weapons that he was making and how he could make them anything they wanted. Then from there we took a trip up to where the guy [kept] the tractors that we were thinking the dope was coming in from.”
The tractors were apparently being used as part of an international narcotics smuggling operation.
During the trip recalled by Matthews, he and David Mann met with another individual who “ran the church and we [thought was] selling the drugs to the bikers. We were going to get David to sell weapons too [sic] them. This trip was where [I] got David in with this [sic] guys so I could move on. Does this sound right to you[?] Also have more info on him and [meetings] at gun store (Lone Wolf) and other places like Scottsdale, before we turn[ed] him loose.”
“Yes, that sounds absolutely correct about David,” Jarrett replied the following day. “I only introduced you to one guy that work[ed] with guns, and that was David.”
On March 2 I sent a letter to the Justice Department’s Office of Inspector General requesting an investigation of Matthews’ confirmed claims about the FBI’s role in arming biker gangs. A week later I received an official reply that tacitly validated those claims while dismissing them as inconsequential: “The Investigations Division of the Office of the Inspector General has thoroughly reviewed your allegations and concluded that the issues raised do not warrant an investigation by this office.”
Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, who has been investigating the death of his brother Kenneth in FBI custody following the 1995, following the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing, has been responsible for nearly all of the key disclosures regarding the PATCON program. This was an effort by the FBI to infiltrate so-called Radical Right groups with informants and provocateurs. In a telephone interview, Trentadue told me that he firmly believes that there is a connection between the PATCON-related FBI initiative to arm biker gangs, and the bloodshed in Waco over the weekend.
“At the very least, we’re dealing with part of the legacy of PATCON,” Trentadue declared.
PATCON wasn’t the FBI’s only means of infiltrating OMCs. In 2004, James “Pagan Ronnie” Howerton, a prominent member of the Pagans OMC and a convicted murderer, was recruited by the FBI. He eventually became the club’s sergeant-at-arms. Five years later, the Feds breathlessly announced that with the help of their undercover asset they had compiled a massive indictment against the Pagans as an interstate criminal conspiracy. That bloated indictment eventually deflated into a small number of relatively trivial charges against specific members of the club. The interstate “criminal enterprise” was reduced to the accusation that the Pagans had committed a federal offense by running a raffle.
The only notable violent crime arising from the federal investigation of the Pagans was the police murder of Iraq combat veteran Derek Hale, who was tasered a dozen times and then murdered, execution-style, by Lt. William Brown of the Wilmington, Delaware Police Department. Hale, who was killed in front of the wife and children of a friend from the club, had no criminal record, nor was he a criminal suspect. He died because the State’s officially licensed gang decided to wage an indiscriminate war on the motorcycle club to which he belonged — which, in all probability, is what happened in Waco over the weekend.
“shooting the first guy who apparently pulls a knife on another. “
Justified shooting. At least that is what they say on the concealed carry threads and 2nd amendment threads ...
I got what you did there ;-)
From the article: "The COC is a way to let others know about upcoming legislation, events & rides as well as discuss Patch issues. "
Legislation, events and rides apply to anyone who rides, even Christian Motorcyclists.
Interesting, since the Cossacks are also reportedly allied with the Hell's Angels (the Bandidos' long-time rival / enemy).
I can see the feds possibly stirring things up within the skinhead biker crowd, just to pull something into the news other than Ferguson/Baltimore/etc.
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You referenced Security Video from the Twin Peaks Restaurant.. Has that been released? I have not heard of that...(not that I know everything.. just have seen no reference to it anywhere); therefore, how would you have access, to know many skedaddled into the Restrooms?
We are supposed to believe that 200 peace loving bike riders were just out for a nice sunday lunch when a heavely armed and well trained police assualt team with automatic weapons ambushed them and were only able to kill 9. If that is the case, the police probably need to get better weapons and/or better training. Given the circumstances outlined, I would expect at least a 40 to 60 percent kill ratio.
I agree with you riverrunner.
“You referenced Security Video from the Twin Peaks Restaurant.. Has that been released? I have not heard of that...(not that I know everything.. just have seen no reference to it anywhere); therefore, how would you have access, to know many skedaddled into the Restrooms?”
google “waco shooting video”
Where is the video tape? Have the police confiscated it?
3:45 p.m. (CDT)
Security camera video reviewed by The Associated Press shows that as gunfire broke out in the parking lot of a Texas restaurant, dozens of bikers ran for cover inside and tried to guide others to safety.The video suggests the Sunday gunfight that left nine dead was contained almost entirely outside the restaurant, besides one gunshot fired by a biker on the patio who
On the patio, bikers are seen ducking under the tables and trying to run inside. At least three people were seen holding handguns. One biker is seen running with blood on his face, hands and torso.
The AP was shown the video by representatives of the Twin Peaks restaurant franchise. They have not released the video, citing the ongoing police investigation.
“From the article: “The COC is a way to let others know about upcoming legislation, events & rides as well as discuss Patch issues. “
Oh. Are the COC’s run by the 1%’ers?
Who said that? I've not heard anyone on this thread say that.
Certainly the authorities treated black rioters with kid gloves. They were allowed to arson and loot to their hearts content, none were shot, dead or otherwise that I recall.
And that rioting lasted for days and covered many square miles of a city.
Here 100 bikers get into some sort of fight and the police, from pre-set enfilade, open fire on them.
My take: a little more force, or show of force, should have been used to protect the innocent property owners in Ferguson, a lot less force might have been used by the various police agencies in Waco to de-escalate without massive loss of life.
However, I would agree that brandishing a pistol in a parking lot in the middle of a biker gang brawl does make you a legitimate target for police fire. From the AP report above it seems like there was a little bit of that going on.
Brandishing a knife or chain probably doesn't require a police sharp-shooter with a scoped rifle to take you out from across a parking lot, particularly if you are just threatening other similarly equiped bikers.
Comments such as “these gangs always fight at all events” is simply hyperbole that is both untruthful and unsubstantiated, with the intent to paint the LEO picture you desire.
It's entirely reasonable for a freeper to have asked you if you're LEO with your narrow and antagonistic comments. And your “alinski” snide reply hints at either a thin skin, an angry disposition, or a LEO overlord mindset.
It's almost as if you have a propaganda agenda here and my question is who's payroll are you on to sit here during business hours to spread your flames?
You're using inflammatory language and hyperbole.
“Gangs”...really...the Christian Motorcycle Association ridingn to spread the gospel is a “gang”? WHO KNEW!?!
get serious.
I've ridden with several CMA chapters (and many other heretoremainunnamed chapters) and it is obvious you have no clue what a gang really is, no clue of the the motorcycle community in general and you have a statist LEO propaganda agenda. You may not BE leo now, but you are either in a support role, retired from, or an AP for one.
...but that's just my observation of your posts.
Carry on with your insults though. You're easy to see through. =o)
The Coalition of Clubs? I doubt it, not any more than ABATE. People from all walks of life who ride participate, including independents.
“Comments such as “these gangs always fight at all events” is simply hyperbole that is both untruthful and unsubstantiated, with the intent to paint the LEO picture you desire.”
I provided a link to the quote from a waitress at Twin Peaks.
“The Coalition of Clubs? I doubt it, not any more than ABATE. People from all walks of life who ride participate, including independents.”
http://www.rcvsmc.net/id30.html
Me: By the statements made by the waitresses.
You: I’ve been seeing our full-auto replies all over these threads.
?????????
So, what’s your point?
“The Coalition of Clubs? I doubt it, not any more than ABATE. People from all walks of life who ride participate, including independents.”
In most if not all areas, all MCs/RCs are approved by their local CoCs and in essence by their local power clubs (which are normally 1%ers) We have plenty of random clubs over at our club house for parties and such.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Harley/comments/1u943h/new_year_new_ama_i_am_a_1er_outlaw_biker_ask_me/
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