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Report: Tom Brady Could Be Suspended For Up To One Year (deflate-gate)
CBS ^ | May 7, 2015 2:40 pm ET | John Breech

Posted on 05/08/2015 12:58:14 PM PDT by drewh

Tom Brady's offseason might extend until 2016 if the NFL decides to drop the hammer on the Patriots quarterback and at least one report is indicating that the league could slam the hammer down hard.

According to the Miami Herald, Brady could be suspended for up to one year thanks to the part he played in Deflategate.

"Everything is being studied. Everything is being considered," an NFL source told the Herald.

Brady's punishment could end up being a shorter suspension, but the source told the Herald not to dismiss the possibility of a year-long suspension.

The Patriots quarterback, along with locker attendant Jim McNally and equipment assistant John Jastremski are the three people most likely to be disciplined, according to ESPN.

The 243-page Wells report found that Brady was "at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls."

In the report, Wells also noted that Brady refused to turn over his phone and other personal information for investigative purposes.

Brady's refusal to help the investigation could end up being one of the big reasons he's hit with a potentially big suspension.

In the NFL's Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of Competitive Rules, the league notes that "Failure to cooperate in an investigation shall be considered conduct detrimental to the League and will subject the offending club and responsible individual(s) to appropriate discipline."

Brady's decision to not fully cooperate in the investigation was duly noted in the Wells report.

"Brady's refusal to provide us with his own records on relevant topics, in response to our tailored requests, limited the evidence available for our review and analysis," the report said.

Whatever Brady's punishment ends up being, it will likely be handed down sometime in the near future.

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KEYWORDS: celebritycult; cheatergate; deflategate; entertainment; fluff; jimmcnally; johnjastremski; nfl; sportsidolatry; tombrady
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To: Crusher138

That’s weird. Thanks for the info. Perhaps this problem could have been avoided if they didn’t switch balls.


81 posted on 05/08/2015 3:45:05 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Crusher138
No they didn’t. Each team plays with their own balls.

Allow each team to inflate their own balls to whatever poundage they prefer then there will be no controversy.......

82 posted on 05/08/2015 3:46:07 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (November 2016 shall be set aside as rodent removal month.)
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To: lonestar
Does Tom have the Clinton’s “playbook?”

No, the MSM and the NFL does..............You know, destroy the target based on heresay since the allegation of wrong doing is worse than the unsubstantiated facts.

83 posted on 05/08/2015 3:50:19 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (November 2016 shall be set aside as rodent removal month.)
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To: Colofornian

Reread the report, according to it only one guy handled the balls and claimed he was in the bathroom alone for 100 seconds with the balls.

I don’t know I am more worried about so many other things than this.


84 posted on 05/08/2015 4:06:26 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Colofornian
The New England Patriots Prevention of Fumbles is Nearly Impossible.
85 posted on 05/08/2015 4:07:01 PM PDT by Stentor ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.")
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To: drewh

A few games suspendson and a fine is about it.


86 posted on 05/08/2015 4:33:57 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Stentor; All
Well, Warren Sharp's analysis was good and innovative and needed; however, his analysis left him wide open to critique from at least one angle:

He included fumbles that players made while on special teams' duty.

Special teams' fumbles were with "neutral" footballs NOT supplied (read "doctored" or potentially so) by individual teams. Special teams involve footballs from a distinct set-aside pooling of such balls.

Therefore, I "fixed" that by conducting my own analysis -- removing special teams' fumbles.

Mine was also a "tad" more comprehensive (than Sharp's) because my analysis includes players like Kevin Faulk, who had over 430 "touches" post 2006...and hence, makes for a worthwhile comparison to how he did after 2006 vs. 1999-2006 seasons.

So, here was MOST of my Feb. 25 Freeper Vanity I posted:

*****************************************************

Trolling for trickster-based Super-Bowl bound treasure

Indeed, some analysts have been...
...trolling for statistical patterns which might...
...unearth...
...certain NFL buried treasure
(In this case -- underinflated footballs that become easy-peasy to catch in pelting rain and, as a follow-up, almost-magical footballs which seemingly refused to become fumbled ones. Ah, such is the making of end-of-the-rainbow Super Bowl treasure indeed!)

The named 'knomes': 'DeflateGate' & 'Ballghazi'

These knomes have even acquired names – and, of course, they come in triplets like the Shamrock:

'Deflategate'

How was it 11 of a dozen Patriot footballs came to be deflated below NFL standards by halftime of the Jan. 18 playoff game with the Colts?

'Ballghazi'

How was it that the Patriots were your average 1.6 to 1.8-fumble-per-game football team 1999-2006 and by 2007 not a single Patriot running back fumbled on a running play...as in NO rushing fumbles all season long...stretching into the post-season for all three playoff games as well? (And then that type of fumble-free patterns stretched not only three extra games, but eight YEARS!)

'Pat-Flattened Pigskins?': Leprechauns on the Loose in New England?

How might a statistical analyst give his “best case” that leprechauns are indeed at large in New England?

Well, what if I told you that the Patriots' defense fumbled the ball...
...more often in (take your pick which of these following seasons) – 2003, 2002, 2001, 1999 than the Patriots' running backs did rushing the ball in 2007 – even including all three playoff games?
...Or their defense fumbled the ball as often in 2001 as the Patriots' running backs did rushing the ball for the entire 2007 and 2008 seasons combined (35 games including three playoff games)?!
...Or their defense fumbled the ball as much combining regular seasons 1999-2003 as did the Patriots running backs' rushing the ball combining regular seasons 2007-2008 and 2010-2011?

(Now you know what the job description of a New England leprechaun is every pre-game!)

Beyond that, just compare the 2006-2007 seasons and broader patterns (either 2000-2014, or 2003-2014)

Charting a Snapshot of 'Ballghazi's' 'Ghost': A

Category 2006 NE Season 2007 NE Season
Overall fumbles 31 (27 regular season) 17 (14 regular season)
Rushing fumbles by Patriot running backs 7 (19 games, including 3 playoffs) 0 (19 games, including 3 playoffs)
Fumble rate per game Avg team: 1.5 vs. NE's 1.6 Avg team: 1.6 vs. NE's 0.8 (Less fumbles by half!) Note: Even indoor based teams averaged 1.55 fumbles per game)
Brady's Completion % 61.8% 68.9%

Charting a Snapshot of 'Ballghazi's' 'Ghost': B

Fumbles by Teams Per Game
2003-2006 NE 2003-2006 Other 31 teams 2007-2014 NE 2007-2014 Other 23 Outdoor teams 2007-2014 Indoor-based teams (8)
1.46 1.6 0.96 [this is improvement of 1 less fumble every 2 games vs. previous NE teams] 1.46 [this means one more fumble every 2 games than NE] 1.29 [this means one more fumble every 3 games than NE]

Source for most raw fumbles-per-games stats: NFL Team Fumbles per Game: Per Year 2014 → 2003

Shenanigan naysaying

Yet despite an NFL-on-the-record fine for a certain Bostonian coach's reputation for shelling out shenanigans ensued by a current NFL-paid attorney investigating the whole football shakedown, many naysayers still doubt these knomes actually exist beyond the legion of urban legends.

So, for certain NFL attorneys who may want to delve into local Boston lore, what pot o' gold nuggets of evidence seems to suggest shenanigans on the loose going back about 8 years?

Note: before assessing chart below, it might be of help to review Warren Sharp's original chart on 19 of these players below:

* Jan. 28, 2015 “update”: New England Patriots Fumble More Often When Playing for Other Teams)
* See also: January 22, 2015: The New England Patriots Prevention of Fumbles is Nearly Impossible and...
* January 23 2015 Slate: Dumb Luck: The New England Patriots’ prevention of fumbles is nearly impossible.

Pat stats: Considerations Weighing Against/For – Sudden Shameful Shamrock Shenanigans in New England

Indicators of 'Deflategate' & 'Ballghazi' as Urban Legend

Red Flags in Pat Stats Suggesting Shenanigans

1. Warren Sharp's analytics case of embellished fumbles (what was he thinking – or not thinking – anyway?) Sharp treated all fumbles as “equal” & “relevant” research. But, alas, they aren't. Simply put, if a team is accused of doctoring their own footballs, & if special teams use a common pool of balls providing no competitive advantage, then special teams' fumbles are irrelevant & need special segmenting from all analytical charts. This impacted Sharp's charts how? One Sharp chart lists 19 players who were either former Patriots or played elsewhere prior to coming to New England. These 19 lost 124 overall fumbles. The problem is three dozen fumbles occurred during returning a punt or kick. (That's 29% of fumbles in list). 1. The “however” to this is it's an “equal-opportunity” application mistake: On the other side of the ledger – those tracking Pat fumbles 2007-2014 – 9 of 39 fumbles were likewise special teams (23% vs. 29% on other side). In other words: Most of fumbles removed from the balance sheet prove to be “a wash.” All it does is to heighten the number of touches on each comparison side per fumble. It is true -- for sake of only including 'relevant' fumbles as it applies to this case study -- that Sharp's "44 touches per fumble" & "73 touches per fumble is a myth. The actual touches are much higher on both comparative sides. Also, when playoff stats are added to Sharp's charts along with one additional measurement – RB Kevin Faulk – it fleshes out an even a greater “measurement”: The lopsided “touches per fumble” ratio Sharp arrived at – 98 – 67 among those 19 players & 107-53 among the five players with 300+ Patriot touches...grows to 145-87 among 20 players & an astounding 190-70 split among 8 players with 274+ touches (Wes Welker, Laurence Maroney, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Faulk, Danny Woodhead, Sammy Morris, LeGarrette Blount, & Randy Moss)
1a. How did (1) above play out? Wes Welker, for example, returned punts/kickoffs for both Pats & other teams: Therefore, half of his Pat fumbles were irrelevant to case study & ALL of his non-Patriot fumbles were likewise irrelevant. Same with Brandon Tate re: his non-Patriot fumbles (all irrelevant). One would think that including Tate's 11 fumbles in only 35 touches would greatly skew the results to work against Sharp's hypothesis. A dozen other fumbles were likewise removed on the non Pats' side: (Amendola, 5; Moss, 3; Stallworth, 2; + Jordan & Gaffney, 1 apiece). 1a. How the above played out on Pat stat side '07-14: Welker returned punts & kicks for the Pats, too: So half of his fumbles were special teams' related. Amendola & Morris also had each had a special teams' fumbles removed. And tho Sharp didn't include Kevin Faulk in his chart because Faulk only played for the Pats, Faulk is perhaps THE most interesting case study, but not for special teams' sake (Faulk had one special teams' fumble removed from his stat total; beyond that, he only fumbled once in his last five seasons with the Pats - & it was a reception, not a rush. By comparison, in the alleged pre-Ballghazi era, Faulk fumbled it 24 times (4 special teams) over eight seasons: 13 rushing, 7 after catches. IoW, he averaged 1 'relevant' fumble every 35 touches thru 2006; suddenly it mushroomed to 1 'relevant' fumble every 433 touches 2007-2011. IoW, Kevin Faulk himself is the face -- the poster boy -- for 'ballghazi shenanigans'!
2. 'Relevant' fumbles & fumble ratios: When the raw fumbles #s are scrubbed & only 'relevant ones remain, 8 of 19 players Sharp analyzed don't match the “we fumbled more wearing non-Patriot shirts” narrative: Danny Woodhead, Fred Taylor, Brandon Lloyd, Brandon Lafell, Deion Branch & Lamont Jordan all have similar fumble ratio numbers no matter which team they've played for; + Wes Welker, Randy Moss – when properly stripped of those special teams' fumbles – even showed significantly more of a penchant to fumble when playing for the Patriots. 2. Collective stats for 11 Patriots 2007-2014 show only 1 fumble every 472 touches! While some of the Patriot fumble “miserliness” 07-14 are indeed attributable to guys who tend not to fumble often (beyond special teams at least) – Welker, Woodhead, & Laurence Maroney. Yet when the other 15 Rbs & Wide-outs are surveyed, 'twas an “almost impossible” scenario to look @ the stats of 11 of them & realize these 11 combined for almost 1900 touches between them during those 8 seasons, & yet they fumbled only four times: 1889 touches & only four collective fumbles by Green-Ellis, Faulk, Branch, Taylor, Amendola, Lloyd, Lafell, Jordan, Gaffney, Evans, Stallworth – that's only one fumble per 472 touches
3. A fumble-by-fumble review turns up that the players most responsible for Pat fumbles were quarterbacks! “NFL Fumble Pie” is cut up into 5 pieces: Fumbles by Qbs, Rbs, Receivers, Special teams, & the occasional post-interception fumble. For 1999-2006, Pats Qbs made 45% of fumbles; that was reduced to 33% 2007-2014. Sharp (& others including myself) don't want to include Qbs for analysis purposes because they already tend to have an untucked ball in most play situations. The key point here, though, is between 07-14, Pats Qbs + special teams accounted for over half of all team fumbles, leaving less room to “shenanigize” anything 3. The so-called “flip side” of this argument is actually the same argument: Yes, review the fumbles to see who was actually making them, or rather, no longer coming even close to making them. How is it that the Patriot Rbs averaged less than 3 fumbles per season 2007-2014? How is it than when you include playoff games, the Pats average a rushing fumble by a RB or wide-out about once every six games? How did the Pats go through '07 –19 games including playoffs – without its Rbs managing to fumble the ball on a rushing play? (Kevin Faulk had one fumble – but even that came on pass he caught)
4. If you're trying to explain why Brady had his sudden 2007 completion % surge, look no further than Randy Moss. Moss had previously had two 100+ reception years; his new presence in '07 accounted for 98 receptions. 4. Indeed, personnel are very important considerations. And it's personnel breakdown charts like the one below – a corrective revision of Warren Sharp's – listing 19 players that makes the 'Ballghazi' case. (Note: added Kevin Faulk as a 20th player because Faulk had over 430 touches post 2006 & that can be readily compared to his 1999-2006 Patriot seasons where he had 700 touches) – that also provides a “face” to this “ghost” of “Ballghazi.”

Chart Summary: Distinctions between Warren Sharp stats and those below (See Jan. 28, 2015 “update”: New England Patriots Fumble More Often When Playing for Other Teams)

Fumbles-per-touch analytics
STATISTICAL BOUNDARIES COLOFORNIAN'S ANALYTICAL BOUNDARIES WARREN SHARP'S ANALYTICAL BOUNDARIES
Are only 'relevant' fumbles -- non-special teams' fumbles -- included in fumbles per touch comparisons? YES NO (Sharp's are accumulative)
Are playoff stats included in 'relevant' fumbles by touch comparisons? YES NO (Sharp uses only season stats despite very controversy arising in playoff context)
Are pre-2007 Patriots stats included in 'relevant fumbles by touch comparisons? YES NO (Sharp didn't include Kevin Faulk as he only played for NE; & he didn't use Deion Branch, Ben Watson & Laurence Maroney pre-2007 Pat stats: Yet these stats are relevant for comparison sake)

Comparing Individual Player Statistics when Playing for New England Patriots 2007-->2014 vs Playing for other NFL teams or playing for the Patriots before 2007

Left side: NE PLAYER: 07-14 Right side: NON-NE PLAYER + NE PLAYERS PRE-2007
NAME RECEPTIONS RUSHES TOUCHES 'RELEVANT' FUMBLES* 'RELEVANT' FUMBLES PER TOUCH RECEPTIONS RUSHES TOUCHES 'RELEVANT' FUMBLES 'RELEVANT' FUMBLES PER TOUCH
Wes Welker 741 21 762 6 relevant (other 6 on special teams) 1 per 127 237 1 238 0 relevant (all 13 on special teams) Less than 1 per 238
Laurence Maroney 45 644 689 5 1 per 138 5 67 72 3 1 per 24
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 31 557 588 0 Less than 1 per 588 28 517 545 5 1 per 109
Kevin Faulk 181 252 433 1 relevant (1 special team) 1 per 433 301 700 1001 20 relevant (4 special teams) 1 per 50
Danny Woodhead 104 285 389 3 1 per 130 160 95 255 2 1 per 128
Sammy Morris 52 335 387 3 relevant (1 special team) 1 per 129 117 402 519 8 1 per 65
LaGarrette Blount 6 275 281 3 1 per 94 27 491 518 All 10 relevant 1 per 52
Randy Moss 271 3 274 All 5 relevant 1 per 55 765 23 788 8 relevant by comparison (3 special teams) 1 per 98
Deion Branch 130 0 63 0 Less than 1 per 63 452 11 463 1 relevant (2 special teams by comparison) 1 per 463
Fred Taylor 4 108 112 1 1 per 112 293 2555 2848 All 26 relevant by comparison 1 per 110
Danny Amendola 90 2 92 0 relevant (1 special team) Less than 1 per 92 196 12 208 5 relevant by comparison (5 special teams) 1 per 42
Ben Watson 91 1 92 2 1 per 46 210 1 211 6 1 per 35
Brandon Lloyd 86 0 86 0 Less than 1 per 86 325 1 326 4 1 per 82
Brandon Lafell 83 2 85 1 1 per 85 171 7 178 2 1 per 89
Lamont Jordan 0 80 80 1 1 per 80 163 856 1019 7 relevant (1 special team) 1 per 146
Jabar Gaffney 78 0 78 0 Less than 1 per 78 394 9 403 3 relevant (1 special team) 1 per 134
Heath Evans 8 48 56 0 less than 1 per 56 59 121 180 3 1 per 60
Donte Stallworth 55 1 56 0 Less than 1 per 56 280 20 300 3 relevant (2 special teams) 1 per 100
Brandon Tate 24 6 30 1 1 per 30 31 4 35 0 relevant (11 special teams by comparison) Less than 1 per 35
TOTALS 2080 2620 4700 32 1 in 145 4214 5993 10107 116 1 in 87
8 Players' collective totals who had 274+ touches for Patriots 1431 2372 3803 20 1 per 190 Non-NE or Early NE 1640 2296 56 1 per 70
Note: Relevant' Fumbles Defined: Fumbles committed while rushing the ball or after reception – not special teams' fumbles.
87 posted on 05/08/2015 4:43:44 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

No doubt. I’m talking about the severity of the punishment. I can see up to a four game suspension but anything more is just to mollify the press.


88 posted on 05/08/2015 4:52:04 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Captain Peter Blood; All
I don’t know I am more worried about so many other things than this.

Well, obviously, the NFL wasn't "worried" 'bout this chicanery, either...which is why when it popped up AFTER the Colts warned them PREGAME that it would happen, in fact, it DID happen!

So, the NFL realized that when teams could predict the Patriots would do this...and they'd go ahead and do it...that somethin' FINALLY needed to be done.

If you look @ the stat charts provided in post #87, 'tis quite obvious the Patriots have been taking advantage of this situation since 2007.

I mean, c'mon...

The very first season that the Patriots could begin supplying their own footballs, Brady's completion percentage shoots up from 61.8% in 2006 to a whopping 68.9% in 2007. (Of course, he had Randy Moss for three-plus seasons starting 2007).

You see, it wasn't so much that less-PSI footballs assisted Brady in this throwing...'twas actually easier for his receivers to hang onto the ball!

And, as for Randy Moss...of course, the Randy Moss-as-new-receiver apologists tend to argue in a circle: Because the triple-digit reception catcher Moss in 2007 only caught 42 passes in 2006 with the Raiders. (And of course, the “circle” argument is: 'Well, Moss had Tom Brady!')

But tell us: Why was Brady completing only 60%, 61%, 62%, 63% in all those years of 2000-2006? (It's not like Brady wasn't already an excellent QB). After all, didn't the Patriots take Super Bowls in 2002, 2004, and 2005?

Beyond that, as is embedded in post #87:

What if I told you that the Patriots' DEFENSE fumbled the ball...

...more often in (take your pick which of these following seasons) – 2003, 2002, 2001, 1999 than the Patriots' RUNNING BACKS did rushing the ball in 2007 – even including all three playoff games?

...Or their DEFENSE fumbled the ball as often in 2001 as the Patriots' running backs did rushing the ball for the entire 2007 and 2008 seasons combined (35 games including three playoff games)?!

...Or their DEFENSE fumbled the ball as much combining regular seasons 1999-2003 as did the Patriots running backs' rushing the ball combining regular seasons 2007-2008 and 2010-2011?

(Yeah, 'tis a few Irish shenanigans goin' on in that city...'tis not'in' new)

89 posted on 05/08/2015 4:56:38 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Captain Peter Blood
1 guy, 2...doesn't matter...

One ball every 8-9 seconds is somehow problematic for a guy who's been preparing footballs for games for years?

If these balls were already on the lower allowed PSI level, it wouldn't take much to dip them to desired level...

From a passing perspective, you REALLY don't want flat footballs!!! (Especially for deeper passes)

So we're not talking about footballs devoid of air.

Certainly, the Pats -- knowing the wet weather report -- no doubt wanted a lower PSI level than e'en normal chicanery for the benefit of its receivers.

90 posted on 05/08/2015 5:05:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: drewh

This is pure BS, who really cares anyway, inflategate is over and done with, ancient history, this is just more obama/clintoon misdirection and distraction. Why now? Roger G. is feeling the heat form Der Fuhrer Soetero to distract the populace from the real issues. I’ve never been a Brady fan but I am now “cheating” or no, c’mon, give me a break.

Much ado about nothing.


91 posted on 05/08/2015 5:21:33 PM PDT by slouper (LWRC SPR 223)
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To: drewh

Is Vegas going to demand payback for the Super Bowl bets for the Patriots to win? I don’t think so, case closed!


92 posted on 05/08/2015 5:24:39 PM PDT by hugorand
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To: drewh

According to sources within Patriots HQ, Bill Belichick has already reached out to Doug Flutie to take over for Brady during his absence.

Flutie is arranging a leave of absence with his current broadcasting company and will be the Patriots starting QB until Brady can return.


93 posted on 05/08/2015 5:49:09 PM PDT by Chauncey Uppercrust (BLUE LIVES MATTER)
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To: drewh

This entire ruse is stupid as hell. If the NFL has limits on footballs, shouldn’t the NFL being in charge of supplying the footballs?

I could care less whether the Patriots win or lose but blaming a quarterback for “bad” footballs for an entire game looks pretty stupid for a multi-billion dollar industry.


94 posted on 05/08/2015 5:54:45 PM PDT by eyedigress (s)
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To: eyedigress
This entire ruse is stupid as hell. If the NFL has limits on footballs, shouldn’t the NFL being in charge of supplying the footballs?

There's NFL rules about mouthguards being worn, proper pads to be worn, helmet standards, the amount of glareware coming down the front of helmets, etc.

So, by logical extension, you're saying you want "NFL Equipmnent Central" with an NFL Equipment Czar runnin' the equipment show for all 32 teams in 32 cities, runnin' 'round & taking orders...
...& then when the revolving door gets-going (replacement players for injured ones), you want them to instantaneously order everything a replacement player needs & have it arrive so they can sign one day & be equipped by NFL Central the next day?

Ludicrous.

Your logic, if extended, is no way to equip a team for football...relying upon some NFL equipment bureaucracy...

No wonder we don't have people holding D.C. & our state capitals accountable! (It seems they tend to agree with expanding whatever bureauracies they can!)

95 posted on 05/08/2015 6:08:28 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Are you saying that the teams on both sides used these footballs and the refs handled them on every play?


96 posted on 05/08/2015 6:15:18 PM PDT by eyedigress (s)
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To: Colofornian

I watch baseball and the umpire behind the plate examines every ball.

You got a problem with that?

Why is a single player being excoriated when the entire damn game was played without complaint?

45-7 due to under-inflated balls? You are nuts.


97 posted on 05/08/2015 6:20:14 PM PDT by eyedigress (s)
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To: Colofornian

BTW, YOU are the one that thinks it takes a government to control football. I said nothing of the kind.

This entire story is bullshit. Some people have an agenda to hurt the NFL. Grow up.


98 posted on 05/08/2015 6:26:07 PM PDT by eyedigress (s)
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To: drewh; All

Bell: NFL must hammer Tom Brady, Patriots in Deflategate aftermath (USA Today)


99 posted on 05/08/2015 6:32:14 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

It’s a left agenda. Understand it.


100 posted on 05/08/2015 6:34:49 PM PDT by eyedigress (s)
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