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Civil Asset Forfeiture Viper Bites NC Business Owner Who Now Fights To Get His Money Back
Forbes ^ | May 8, 2015 | George Leef

Posted on 05/08/2015 7:33:14 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Although some states have moved to stop the abominable practice of civil asset forfeiture (bravo to New Mexico), the vicious monster is still alive, still seizing money and property from innocent people, still making them battle through the legal system if they want it back.

Here’s a case that ought to send shivers up your spine if you run a business that deals in a lot of cash.

Lyndon McLellan owns a gas station and convenience store in the little town of Fairmont, North Carolina. Last spring, IRS agents came to his store and informed him that they had just seized his bank account, which had more than $107,000 in it. McLellan was not accused of any crime, but the IRS was suspicious of his bank transactions. Thanks to our “war on drugs,” the government insists that we notify it whenever we deposit $10,000 or more in cash – but if someone regularly deposits significant amounts but less than $10,000, the IRS calls it “structuring” and thus suspicious.

Without any evidence of illegal activity, the government can seize bank accounts when it observes cash deposits that might be “structuring” and that is just what it did to Mr. McLellan. After grabbing his money last spring, in December the Department of Justice filed a forfeiture complaint in federal court. McLellan will lose all his money unless he is able to defeat the feds in court. (Or he can merely lose half of it if he’ll settle – more on that below.)

No American should have to fight a legal battle against the IRS and Department of Justice to get his property back when he has not even been accused of any crime, much less convicted.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: civilforfeiture; forfeiture; wod
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Also the prohibitionist church hymns of the era preceding it were telling of the loss of faith. Oh if we do this or that or the other worldly thing, our woes will go. Well no they won’t. You think Satan is that easy to stop? Only one thing stops Satan.


21 posted on 05/08/2015 8:18:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Probhition didn’t “work” because the People knew how to get rid of it. Repeal the 18th Amendment. The Statists were careful not to repeat that mistake with the War on Drugs.


22 posted on 05/08/2015 8:52:38 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

It wasn’t working even before it was repealed. Alcohol was still widely available and consumed.


23 posted on 05/08/2015 8:56:15 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (A free society canÂ’t let the parameters of its speech be set by murderous extremists.)
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To: reaganaut1
Thanks to our “war on drugs,” the government insists that we notify it whenever we deposit $10,000 or more in cash

I believe the law requires the institution taking the deposit to report. Not the account owner.

24 posted on 05/08/2015 10:01:26 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("It is never untimely to yank the rope of freedom's bell." - - Frank Capra)
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To: reaganaut1
The other day, I was told by the branch manager at a major bank, about a law whereby the feds can (and do) seize the money in accounts that are "dormant".

So for example, if you have $100,000 sitting in a bank account, and you don't touch it - make no deposits or withdrawals - for long enough that the bank changes the account's status to "dormant", the federal government can come along and simply take the money.

He said it had something to do with some law having to do with money laundering. It is outright theft, plain and simple, and most people (like me) have no idea that the law exists.

25 posted on 05/08/2015 10:13:21 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Sicon

And of course, the great irony in this is that it would seem that, in fact, your money IS safer being stuffed in your mattress. At least there, you’ll know the moment it goes missing...


26 posted on 05/08/2015 10:14:53 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I put “work” in quotes because even the staunchest Drug Warrior will say that Prohibition didn’t “work” while saying the Drug War does, despite the exact same results.


27 posted on 05/08/2015 11:01:15 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Triple damages and triple costs - isn’t the the standard for corporate malfeasance?


28 posted on 05/08/2015 11:31:27 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: Wolfie
even the staunchest Drug Warrior will say that Prohibition didn’t “work”

In my experience, most of them vigorously tapdance around that subject.

29 posted on 05/08/2015 11:34:34 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Well, actually, it depends on the definition of “work”.

Cirrhosis death rates for men dropped from 29.5 to 10.7 per 100,000.

Admission rates for alcohol psychosis dropped from 10.1 to 4.7 per 100,000.

Best estimates (whatever that means) puts the alcohol consumption rate declining somewhere between 30 and 50%.

No, it did not stop all alcohol consumption, but neither do murder laws stop all murder.

Having said all this - whether or not the drug war is “working”, such seizures of private property is completely immoral and symptomatic of a government gone power-mad.

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opinion/actually-prohibition-was-a-success.html


30 posted on 05/08/2015 11:58:35 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: GilesB

What it DID do was create a huge influx of money for organized crime.


31 posted on 05/08/2015 12:11:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (A free society canÂ’t let the parameters of its speech be set by murderous extremists.)
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To: GilesB; Blood of Tyrants
That link gives no sources for its claims. This one does:

"consumption of alcohol actually rose steadily after an initial drop. Annual per capita consumption had been declining since 1910, reached an all-time low during the depression of 1921, and then began to increase in 1922. Consumption would probably have surpassed pre-Prohibition levels even if Prohibition had not been repealed in 1933. [6] Illicit production and distribution continued to expand throughout Prohibition despite ever-increasing resources devoted to enforcement. [7]"

"The Volstead Act, passed to enforce the Eighteenth Amendment, had an immediate impact on crime. According to a study of 30 major U.S. cities, the number of crimes increased 24 percent between 1920 and 1921. The study revealed that during that period more money was spent on po- lice (11.4+ percent) and more people were arrested for violating Prohibition laws (102+ percent). But increased law enforcement efforts did not appear to reduce drinking: arrests for drunkenness and disorderly conduct increased 41 percent, and arrests of drunken drivers increased 81 percent. Among crimes with victims, thefts and burglaries increased 9 percent, while homicides and incidents of assault and battery increased 13 percent. [42]"

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa157.pdf

32 posted on 05/08/2015 1:54:17 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Yes, but cites don’t necessarily establish truth. nearly half of the cites are from 2 sources, almost a quarter of them from the author himself.

It doesn’t invalidate his work, however. Cites or no cites have no bearing on the truth or falsehood of a statement. But you and I need verification of information, and cites are provided for our comfort.

I guess this little exercise establishes once again that there are statistics and there are statistics.

I’m not sure, now, what it all means. BUT, we can still say with certainty that this out-of-control government and it’s lust for the property of private citizens is a disgusting pile of puke.


33 posted on 05/08/2015 2:52:03 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There ought to be a law that a successful defense in a situation like this should be entitled to ALL its costs back.

You should get:
- All your money/stuff back.
- Reimbursement for all costs/fees associated with getting your stuff back.
- Penalty to the cops/gov of the same amount/value they attempted to steal.

So, if they confiscate $200k, and you spend $15k on lawyers and court costs, they owe you $415k. Tax-free.
34 posted on 05/08/2015 4:05:45 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Agreed! But even more, there needs to be sanctions imposed on the agency bringing such actions, and individually against those who authorized it.


35 posted on 05/08/2015 4:31:27 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Svartalfiar

It’s kind of how PP profits now. Maybe conservatives could be more high minded and have the penalty donated to a traditional charity.


36 posted on 05/09/2015 4:08:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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