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To: Jacquerie
The minute the Electoral College can propose entirely new candidates on their own, and even create new offices, and new rules for these new offices, and ignore the existing rules for Candidates and office, THEN, and ONLY THEN might there be any sort of valid comparison between the Electoral College and and Delegates at an Article V convention!

Those Delegates are NOT bound by any laws whatsoever, nor is there any sort of lawful punishment for electorates that don't adhere to any preconceived limits, when those limits don't exist anyway because they would prohibit the very latitude needed by the Delegates to openly engage discussion and negotiation!

Furthermore, the Convention has already been shanghaied, taken over and subverted by the deliberate intent of Congress, the federal government, and interests actually controlling the government! Any Convention is already hijacked and guaranteed to be a "runaway"! It's a done deal.

In a report from the Congressional Research Service on March 7, 2014, then revised on April 11, 2014, CRS itself indicates things that entirely contradict the unsupported claims being made about the safety of the Convention.

The CRS report, "Article V Convention" indicates the following:

1) Recognizes the sole and exclusive authority for the "amendment process" (not just "calling" the convention), residing with Congress:
“First,Article V delegates important and exclusive authority over the amendment process to Congress…” (page 4)


2) Congress alone, (not the States) can determine not only the NUMBER of delegates, but their selection process, and even how many votes each state is counted as having!

"Second, while the Constitution is silent on the mechanics of an Article V convention, Congress has traditionally laid claim to broad responsibilities in connection with a convention, including (1) receiving, judging, and recording state applications; (2) establishing procedures to summon a convention; (3) setting the amount of time allotted to its deliberations; (4) determining the number and selection process for its delegates; (5) setting internal convention procedures, including formulae for allocation of votes among the states; and (6) arranging for the formal transmission of any proposed amendments to the states." (Page 4)

NOTABLY , this "formulae for allocating votes" can and will massively sway the outcome of any amendment process, and is a GROSS corruption of the principle of the States themselves being Sovereign, thereby the sole Source of ANY authority for the Convention itself, and therefrom "one state, one vote", that vote not based at all on population, but rather State Sovereignty! By this, Congress can, and WILL, turn the outcome of the Convention into populist Marxist outcome, and not based on State sovereignty!

Thus, the Convention is unquestionably corrupted even before it is begun! Be alarmed, be very alarmed!

And the CRS report repeatedly returns to this idea that State votes at a Convention are to be based on population, rather than one vote per state, with CRS engaging presumptive arguments as if this were already established by election policy!

The FACT of the matter is there's at least one new Constitution already made up, one named the "Constitution for the New States of America". But don't worry, those "New States" will not even resemble the current States,as they will be entirely eradicated to avoid any confusion where the sovereignty now actually resides -- with the Washington ruling elites.

However please do not pretend as if a "Runaway Convention" has not happened before; in fact were batting 1000 on runaway conventions!

Rabid Convention proponents like to overlook the fact that a Convention of the States has already occurred before, in 1787, and that 1787 convention in Philadelphia was ENTIRELY RUNAWAY!. The Delegates were charged with writing ONLY amendments to the Articles of Confederation, and the the terms of ratification set to 100% State agreement. However those Delegates at the Convention in Philadelphia wrote an entirely new Constitution and even came up with their own terms of ratification, that being 3/4ths of the States, all in defiance of the existing law of the land.

Please DO go on about how a "runaway" corrupt convention is so unlikely!

And folks, please, it's not as if an Article V Convention is any sort of RATIONAL RESPONSE! People have to be off their damn rockers if they believe that "Writing more Constitution" is even a valid answer to government deliberately ignoring the existing Constitution! In fact, every single one of the proposed amendments entirely avoid recognizing the limited Enumerated Powers detailed in Article 1, Section 8, thereby not possibly doing anything at all to restore any sort of legitimacy!

In fact amending the Constitution at this time only serves to implicitly give valid government outside Constitution's limited terms. Even every one of the esteemed Mark Levin's amendments do nothing but validate the status quo, while offering only ineffective "treatments" to for only the symptoms, while leaving the real cause entirely unaffected.

It's time these Article V proponents wake up: We are not governed by the Constitution any longer, and those actually dictating the terms of the country are not the public facades in elected into office. Voting harder and writing more Constitution are not anywhere close to valid responses to what is going on all around us each and every day.

And in case some still imagine this issue is up for debate, even now there are those who recognize that some will refuse to have their actions tempered with reason and fact, and therefore they are arming themselves to stop a Convention at any cost. What these proponents have actually done is establish themselves as a threat to whatever Liberty we have left, and might regain in the future. These Convention proponents are actually the same mentality that got us to this condition in the first place -- each one nothing but a budding Machiavellian Social Engineer. If the were to have their Convention, what will be accomplished is the removal all legitimacy to any further demands that our Liberty be restored. It should be no surprise whatsoever that there are those willing to give their lives to prohibit that from happening.

"When faced with no possibility whatsoever of winning anything of value, and great likelihood of losing everything of precious value, the only rational decision is to walk away."
66 posted on 05/02/2015 6:28:06 PM PDT by LibertyBorn
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To: LibertyBorn

Weighted against an already ran away FedGov™ and a possible runaway article V convention well I will pick the latter every time. I think all the carping status quo cowards should STHU.


68 posted on 05/02/2015 6:36:57 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: LibertyBorn
The Congressional Research Service is merely parroting the view in this document:

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

The ABA Report is the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. The ABA is only a lobbying organization, and it would be foolish to take their view as incontrovertible, which is what the CRS has done.

Secondly, James Madison disagrees with your view that the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was a runaway convention. Read Federalist #40 for details.

71 posted on 05/02/2015 6:44:48 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: LibertyBorn

ping


88 posted on 05/02/2015 11:28:37 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: LibertyBorn
<>Those Delegates are NOT bound by any laws whatsoever, nor is there any sort of lawful punishment for electorates that don't adhere to any preconceived limits, when those limits don't exist anyway because they would prohibit the very latitude needed by the Delegates to openly engage discussion and negotiation!<>

States will send delegates, not representatives. Delegates will arrive with commissions which define their authority.

The states will limit the convention by statute and provide for felony prosecution for violations.

Here is the Indiana statute.

Scroll to and click on Latest Printing.

144 posted on 05/03/2015 9:47:27 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To shun Article V is to embrace tyranny.)
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