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Debtors prisons are an essential tool of our new public policy.
Dalrock ^ | April 26 2015 | Dalrock

Posted on 04/27/2015 8:32:38 AM PDT by DarkSavant

Earlier this month Christopher Mathias at Huffington Post connected the Walter Scott case to our new family model in: One-Eighth Of South Carolina Inmates Were Jailed Over Child Support Payments. Walter Scott Was One Of Them.

But Scott, who was killed on Saturday by police officer Michael Slager in North Charleston, South Carolina, had also long struggled to pay child support. In 2008, he went to jail for a full six months after falling behind by $6,800 in child support payments,according to The Associated Press. Scott spent one night in jail in both 2011 and 2012, again because he owed thousands in child support. At the time of Scott’s death, there was awarrant out for his arrest due to failure to make child support payments. (Scott also had a history of convictions and arrests for other offenses, according to The Post And Courier, a Charleston paper.)

The knowledge of the arrest warrant for failed payments is likely what spurred Scott to run from Slager on Saturday during a traffic stop over a broken taillight.

“He said that’s what he would do, he would run, because he’s not going to jail for child support,” Scott’s other brother, Rodney, told MSNBC.

In a video shot by a bystander, Slager can be seen shooting Scott — who was unarmed — eight times as he ran away. Scott died, and Slager is now facing murder charges.

Mathias presents astounding statistics on the number of men who are incarcerated in South Carolina at the order of family court judges:

In 2009, Patterson conducted a survey of 33 county jails in South Carolina, which found that one out of every eight inmates — or 13.2 percent of the inmate population — was behind bars for contempt of civil court after falling behind on child support payments. In Charleston County, where Walter owed his back payments on child support, Patterson’s survey found that over 15 percent of inmates had been imprisoned for not paying child support. In a handful of the other counties studied, the figure was as high as 20 percent.

Men caught in this system do not have basic due process rights:

Turner’s case ended up in front of the Supreme Court, which ruled in a 5-4 decision in 2011 that the right to counsel only applied to criminal cases, not to people in civil or family court proceedings.

As capricious as this all sounds, there is a method to the madness here. These men are being imprisoned to sustain a very recent and profound social revolution. They are being imprisoned to facilitate the destruction of traditional marriage so that a new family structure, one instead based on child support, can take the place of marriage. To understand this, you need to understand the four key objectives which are being achieved by imprisoning so many men.

1) Create the illusion that unwed mothers are not in fact irresponsible welfare queens.

This is crucial to the moral acceptance of unwed motherhood. For our new system to function as desired, single mothers must be absolved of all social stigma. Our new system goes to great lengths to absolve single mothers of stigma, and part of this is removing the stigma of welfare paid to single mothers. The new assumption is that financially secure unwed motherhood is a right of all women, and that any welfare payments unwed mothers receive are really just child support by another name:

Out of the $105 billion in child support debt nationwide, the government claims half so it can seek to recoup the costs of welfare benefits provided to low-income families. Our current welfare program, called Temporary Aid to Needy Families (“TANF”), requires custodial parents applying for benefits to cooperate in establishing child support obligations against the absent parents and to simultaneously assign the resulting child support payments to the government. Mothers, fathers, and children all become government debtors—the mothers and children owe their child support rights and the fathers owe the payments until the welfare benefits are repaid in full.

As Mathias notes, very large numbers of the men in prison for unpaid child support are poor. These men are in prison not because they refused to pay, but because they couldn’t afford to pay. More to the point, they are in prison because unwed motherhood causes tremendous harm to children and our society. In order to absolve the mothers themselves, we must transfer the entire stigma and responsibility to men. A crime against children requires that someone be punished harshly. The men in prison for child support are in this sense sacrificial lambs, being punished in order to absolve all unwed mothers of their moral responsibility for the suffering of their children.

2) Enforce the new quota based system.

A marriage based family structure creates natural incentives for men to work hard to support their families. We have replaced the Western/Christian marriage based family system with a soviet style system, and just like the soviet system our new system requires threats of imprisonment for men who don’t produce as much as the state thinks they should.

3) Facilitate the removal of the father from the home to “empower” women.

The aim of our new child support based family model is to enable women to destroy their families but still receive the benefits which previously only came with marriage. Child support (and the threats of imprisonment which sustain it) is designed to allow women to have children with men who are unfit to be husbands, and/or to eject a husband from the home. South Carolina divorce attorney Gregory S. Forman explains that in cases where the couple is married the child support process generally can’t start until the wife ejects the husband from the home in Five Ways to Get a Spouse Out of the House:

When a marriage is no longer working, one spouse typically wants the other spouse to leave. However, until the parties actually separate, the Family Court lacks the power to determine custody or support issues (though the court can, under circumstances noted below, order one spouse to leave and then set custody and support). Thus, absent a written separation agreement, there are important strategic advantages to staying in the house…

It is quite common for unhappy wives to ask their husbands to leave. Since the husband is typically the person with the financial obligations and the wife will typically be the residential custodial parent, it behooves the husband to remain in the home until he negotiates a separation agreement with financial obligations he can meet and parenting rights he can accept.

Forman goes on to describe the legal strategies wives most commonly use to get their husbands out of the home so the whole process can begin. Number one on his list of legal strategies is for the wife to claim* domestic abuse. This both ejects the father from the home and converts him from (nominal) head of household to child support payer:

The two major advantages to Domestic Abuse actions are that they are provide prompt access to the court and that there is not a high threshold to prove domestic abuse. Hearings must be set within fifteen days of the filing of a petition (§ 20-4-50 (b)) and can be set within 24 hours in an emergency situation. § 20-4-50 (a). The definition of abuse includes “assault, or the threat of physical harm,” so an actual physical harm does not have to be proven. § 20-4-20 (a)(1).

In addition to providing the abused petitioner possession of the marital domicile, the Domestic Abuse order can also provide for temporary spousal and child support, custody and visitation.

Not surprisingly, this process is frequently manipulated by wives in exactly the way it is designed to be used:

Since Domestic Abuse orders are quick and efficient methods for getting a spouse out of the house, they are subject to abuse. Spouses will often attempt to prompt or instigate fights in order to call the police and set up domestic abuse proceedings. Since much domestic abuse becomes a “he said/she said” swearing contest, it is important to protect a client from false allegations of domestic abuse. In situations in which a client might be subjected to false allegations of domestic abuse, the purchase of a small hand-held tape (or even video) recorder is useful. Then, whenever the other spouse attempts to prompt a physical altercation, the client merely needs to hold the recorder up and start recording (announcing “tell it to the nice Family Court Judge, honey” when the client begins recording, adds an entertaining-though not always calming-touch).

Note that men are guilty until proven innocent in this case, and that it is well known that wives will commonly act as aggressors in order to claim victim-hood. Forman’s Marie Antoinette-esque solution to “let them carry tape recorders” overlooks the reality that the system is working precisely as designed. Iraq war vet Joseph Kerr describes how the system is designed in “What Do You Do When A Girl Hits You?”

Finally it was going to end. She wanted to move out of state with the kids and had no interest in discussing sharing custody. “We’re not discussing it, you can’t stop us from leaving. Sign it or I’ll get a lawyer and make you sign it.” She handed me a do-it-yourself version of divorce papers.

I reached out to some divorce lawyers. This life sucks for me, for the kids, for everyone. What do I do? “It’s a game of chicken in your house now,” the he said. “Neither one of you can leave with the kids, and the first one who leaves without them is a step behind in trying to get custody.”

Is there a worse possible way to resolve such a pending disaster?

Then the email confirmation — plane tickets, one adult, two children, one way, leaving soon. Tomorrow morning would be different, but sleeping on the couch was normal. I ended up on the ground next to the stairs. She kicked my head into the solid wood base. I blacked out, came to, stood up, bleeding. My daughter was screaming, “Stop hurting daddy!”

Kerr made the mistake of going to the police after the assault. He was then arrested because all it took was for his wife to claim that he threatened her, and the process kicked in as designed:

“You wife is telling a bit of a different story, as happens a lot in these situations, she says you threatened her.”

“We’re going to take you into custody now.”

“Stand up and put your hands behind your back.”

An hour later I was handcuffed to a hospital bed waiting for CAT scan results to know if my head was bleeding.

After being released from jail with an order to not contact his wife or his children for a year, and with his bank accounts drained, Kerr asked his lawyer what he should have done in this incident. Her response:

“Run. Run and don’t go to the police.”

Kerr tells us this wasn’t his wife’s first assault against him:

She grabbed me and ripped my shirt. Her nails cut my face. I bled. I tried to walk out the door. She blocked the door. I was a gym-every-day, active duty Marine, fearing someone a fraction of my size. If she had a penis I’d have a dozen ways to put her on the ground. Instead, I was left to sneak out a bedroom window and spend the night in a parking lot.

This is a well known pattern, as Web MD notes in their article Help for Battered Men**:

“We tell men if they have to be in an argument, do it in a room with two doors so they can leave; a lot of times a woman will block the door, the man will try to move her, and that will be enough for him to get arrested.”

In the past our family structure was designed to keep families intact. Our new family structure is designed primarily to break them apart.

4) Dis-empower husbands and fathers in order to empower wives and mothers.

The overarching goal of the new system is to empower women, and in order to do this power must be taken from men and given to women. Fundamentally, the objective is to create a system where women can become mothers without being beholden to a man. The most obvious incarnations of this involve single motherhood. However, the system is also designed achieve the same goal in a more subtle way, by making husbands powerless for those women who wish to remain nominally married. All of the machinery designed to crush the father and remove him from the home can also be used to change the power dynamics within marriage. The mere threat of using this cruel system is as feminist economists Wolfers and Stevens delightedly explain a “potent tool” for wives to use to gain power over their husbands (emphasis mine):

The mechanism examined in this paper is a change in divorce regime and we interpret the evidence collected here as an empirical endorsement of the idea that family law provides a potent tool for affecting outcomes within families.

*Forman says “prove” instead of claim, but then goes on to describe how claims are generally taken as proof.


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1 posted on 04/27/2015 8:32:38 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: DarkSavant

This is why many men are foregoing marriage.


2 posted on 04/27/2015 8:38:16 AM PDT by piytar (If you don't know what the doctrines of taqiyya and abrogation are, you are a fool!)
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To: DarkSavant

While I agree that the current system of child support is in many cases unfair to the men there’s a simple way to re-solve this. Don’t be sticking you long john into every hole in sight.....I’ll bet most everyone on this website knows of someone (either directly or through someone else) who has kids to multiple women of which they are not married. You need a license to drive a car, but no license to make a baby. There’s a lot of irresponsibility out there by men and women.


3 posted on 04/27/2015 8:41:38 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: DarkSavant

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4 posted on 04/27/2015 8:44:19 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Due to the high price of ammo, no warning shot will be fired.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
How about "No Marriage, No commitment to pay child support".

Then add "If you can not show your spouse at fault in divorce proceedings, no child support."

Then see the result of out-of-wedlock births and divorce rates plummeting.
5 posted on 04/27/2015 8:47:28 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: piytar

It is also why inner cities are overrun with feral serial impregnanters. Sex without responsibility is another invented right of the left.


6 posted on 04/27/2015 8:49:27 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
There are two guys that work for me that are paying HEAVY child support for kids that are proven with DNA not to be theirs. Judge(s) didn't care and one took it to the appellate court and they agreed with the lower court. I do agree with you statement in general but the system is clearly broken - like most other government systems.
7 posted on 04/27/2015 8:50:51 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: mad_as_he$$

I agree with you. It’s broken and the ones with the penuses are usually f##$@cked.


8 posted on 04/27/2015 9:10:36 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: DarkSavant

What you propose is so drastic that it would never pass muster in today’s society. For one thing, both men and women are irresponsible so many women would just abandon the child or get abortions. The abondened child would be thrust upon her parents (which happens in large part today) or put in the government system of foster children/etc...

Basically that option is not that good either. It’s a bad siuation all around. I would propose that men get more rights in regards to being the primary parent. Why is it assumed that the mother will be the best parent by the courts?


9 posted on 04/27/2015 9:14:25 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: piytar
This is why many men are foregoing marriage.

Or even cohabitation. My friend was telling me that the county he lives in has a federal grant to combat "domestic violence". As a result, if you get arrested for "domestic violence" in that county, you can spend six months in jail, whereas in the next county over (which doesn't have the federal funding) it's 30 days.

He overheard a woman there tell your boyfriend "I can put you in jail" with glee in her voice. It's a weapon women can use against men who piss them off.

He's not having anything to do with women residing in that county.

It's getting to the point where it's to a man's advantage to maintain an apartment where no woman is allowed to enter, or even know the address of, and only visit her in a motel.

10 posted on 04/27/2015 9:18:15 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Basically that option is not that good either. It’s a bad siuation all around. I would propose that men get more rights in regards to being the primary parent. Why is it assumed that the mother will be the best parent by the courts?

I would go for this. Give men the choice of accepting custody or paying child support.

11 posted on 04/27/2015 9:21:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Most women will fight like hell for custody. Not necessarily because they care about the kids so much, but for the checks and the additional leverage over their ex.


12 posted on 04/27/2015 9:32:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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This is really hard for me to read, because I was a kid under the advent of this system. My mom discovered Kinsey in 1956. By 1960 my parents divorced over infidelity. The child custody battle lasted nine years and consumed two California houses worth of capital. The State broke up my brother and me, dividing us between the two parents. By the time I was 16, we had moved 11 times. In the end, my dad, a municipal bond financing consultant of some import, was a broken human being, divorced three times. Mom made out like a champ, especially after her second divorce, owning her own home and traveling the world on a teacher's pension until she died a few years later. The rest of the family is still a wreck, now 55 years and running.

I left dad's home at 17, penniless and on the streets of Oakland, CA. I count myself lucky, as could easily have wound up dead. I swore then that this would never happen to me. I spent the first ten years of my adulthood grappling with it all. When I finally married at the age of 35, I was extremely careful. Our two kids grew up in the same house they can call "home." The one governing principle of their rearing was 'whatever the leftists think is right, revert to the opposite.' Both girls are now in graduate school. Yet it still isn't over.

There is a reason the Torah specified death for adultery: The effects go on for generations. I am convinced that raising a child in an environment of sexual depravity produces heritable epigenetic traits, effectively they are irreversible without an immense act of will. The consequences all around us, and they will be very difficult if not impossible to reverse.

Having been born into the idyllic California of the 1950s, we never knew the blessings that lifestyle had offered, much less understood the consequences of blowing them off. Conservatives never fully comprehended the stakes in the Culture War; else they would have fought like their lives depended upon victory and nothing less, because they do. The left wants us dead, because we are all that stands between them and total power to please themselves to no end, and to hell with any and every body else. That's what it will be all right.

13 posted on 04/27/2015 9:34:12 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by government regulation.)
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So true. this resonates for me


14 posted on 04/27/2015 9:36:47 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Men have penises and penises cause men to abuse children—just like guns cause people to commit murder. Social Work 101, duh!

The entire system is set up as a matriarchy—literally. Not only do men not have civil rights, they often are denied status automatically—making them,in effect, non-persons. The civil “justice” system is neither. It is liberalism writ large.


15 posted on 04/27/2015 9:38:39 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (GOP delenda est!)
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To: piytar
This is why many men are foregoing marriage.

Bingo. I was thinking the same thing.

16 posted on 04/27/2015 9:40:44 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Most women will fight like hell for custody. Not necessarily because they care about the kids so much, but for the checks and the additional leverage over their ex.

That's my point. Wives file for divorce in two thirds of cases, often because it is advantageous to do so. They get the income and assets of the husband without having to actually live with him.

Take that away, have divorce mean that they walk away with their personal belongings and that's it, and the divorce rate would drop sharply.

17 posted on 04/27/2015 10:06:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
There are two guys that work for me that are paying HEAVY child support for kids that are proven with DNA not to be theirs. Judge(s) didn't care and one took it to the appellate court and they agreed with the lower court. I do agree with you statement in general but the system is clearly broken - like most other government systems.

Were they married to the women? It is my understanding that American Law going all the way back to old English Common law recognizes the Children of Marriage to be the Husband's Children, even if they are not.

In the Time of Old English law, there was no way to tell, but now their is. This is an aspect of law that needs to be seriously revisited in light of advancements in fields other than law. (Where there is never any "advancement.")

18 posted on 04/27/2015 10:11:28 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Carry_Okie

That’s a sad story. I’m glad that you have survived and overcome that. You never mentioned if your father is still alive or not. If he is, I hope he has come to some sort of a resolution in himself that he can live with. Perhaps you and your sibling can help him out with that. Are you and your brother still friends and/or on speaking terms?


19 posted on 04/27/2015 10:19:40 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: piytar
It's also why, I would think, some men then kill their wives and children and then take their own lives.

Rather than accept being crushed, they just decide to take everyone with them.

20 posted on 04/27/2015 10:23:09 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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