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To: af_vet_1981
af_vet_1981 quoting BJK: "did those MS St. Louis passengers 'merit' entry to the USA?
The answer is clearly, by US laws which President Roosevelt was charged to enforce: no."

First, notice the word I used here was "merit" not "deserved", simply meaning: they did not meet criteria established by US law for admission.
Second, your claim is that I said: "that the Jews deserved to be denied a port of refuge by Roosevelt and sent back to Europe."

Word usage of "deserved": you "merit" or "deserve" admission, but you don't "deserve" or "merit" a denial.
For analogy, think of college -- you may "merit" admission, but if you are not admitted, it's not because you "deserve" denial, you may have been well qualified, but not selected for some other reason.

Denial says nothing about how much you "deserve", only that for some reason, or no particular reason, you were not selected.

But, FRiend, you've asked this question, and then restated my answers in such a way as to make it look as if I said Jews "deserved" or "merited" rejection, which is simply not accurate.
By prior contract, they deserved entry to Cuba, or could have gone to the Dominican Republic which had offered sanctuary.
Since President Roosevelt did not offer them sanctuary, they deserved safe haven in free European countries, which is what they got.

But neither in 1939, nor today does every refugee in every part of the world deserve entry to the US.
That doesn't mean they "deserve" to be rejected, only that by whatever criteria we use at the time, they didn't meet it.

Surely that explanation is clear enough to get you to stop playing dumb on me, FRiend?

177 posted on 05/10/2015 5:27:54 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
You yourself, not me, substituted merit for deserved with this comment "A synonym of "deserve" is "merit", so we might ask, did those MS St. Louis passengers "merit" entry to the USA?" as you have continually struggled giving as simple "yes" or "no" answer to my actual question, af_vet_1981: "Do you think the Jewish refugees on the MSS St. Louis deserved to be denied a port of refuge by Roosevelt and sent back to Europe ?".

You have continually argued that these Jewish refugees deserved to be denied a port of refuge by Roosevelt, and returned to Europe. Own your words, which are evident from the start (post 24). In post 34 you wrote " Just so we're clear about this: there were no Nazi death camps in 1939, none."

178 posted on 05/10/2015 7:32:40 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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