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Shouldn't Christians Just Obey the Law?
Family Policy Institute of Washington ^ | Joseph Backholm

Posted on 04/14/2015 3:49:30 PM PDT by fwdude

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To: C. Edmund Wright
"I still don’t think a wedding cake is a hill to die on"

Do you think that the left will back down on more important issues, if they won't back down on this one?
21 posted on 04/14/2015 4:52:41 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: fwdude
Like the kind that leftist totalitarian Nazi's make?

While the smoke is coming out of those strange buildings?

22 posted on 04/14/2015 4:56:54 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Michael.SF.

Highways( TurnPikes or Pikes ) in and around philly, bridges, , were private toll roads, fire brigades were all private in the beginning. most infrastructure was private. water here was public since 1820’s The last private gas works in philly succumbed to the city version in 1963 i think.


23 posted on 04/14/2015 4:59:01 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I also don’t mind breaking BS laws that don’t possess a moral component.


24 posted on 04/14/2015 5:00:07 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Dr. Thorne

Regarding Romans 13, we have a government established by God that gives people the right to speak and oppose and even physically fight tyranny if it comes to that.

This is the dynamic that is often overlooked.
Our rights come from God and we are blessed in this but, now as our nation turns away and we are seeing the results.
Keep the powder dry. This is deep spiritual war and it is deadly serious.


25 posted on 04/14/2015 5:03:57 PM PDT by right way right
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To: fwdude
“I thought you were a Christian. Aren’t Christians supposed to follow the law?”

Christians are supposed to "render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's." Meaning we obey the law except when the law goes against God's word. When there is a conflict, we obey God (of course!). If I were a baker or a wedding photographer, I would consider my participation in a gay "marriage" to be minor, so trivial that the moral dimension did not apply.

However, when the thugs decide that they can compel people to participate, then participation sets a precedent implying that we must obey unjust laws. That is bad. It also sets the bar lower, and eventually (probably quickly) the thugs will reach a level that does matter to me. For that reason, we must oppose the incrementalism of the far left at every step. We must fight them on gun control - repealing even the most apparently trivial of gun laws so that they don't have a nose in our tent. We must fight them at the first encroachment on our fundamental freedoms, not just when the violations reach the level of immediate danger, and we must roll back the many gains they have made.

"You will bake me a cake!" Of course. "My rate for that cake is $17,000. Oh, you're going elsewhere? Good bye." Or perhaps, "I'll see you in court and fight you until I die of old age and broke, but you will get neither a cake nor a single dollar of an honest person's money."

"You will photograph my 'wedding'!" Of course. "Oh dear, I'm a bit under the weather. I must cancel at the last minute." Or perhaps, "I'll see you in court and fight you until every totalitarian is stopped, but you will get neither a snapshot nor a single dime of a good person's money."

"You will host my gay reception in the B&B you call home!" No problem. "Oh dear, septic problem, trucks are here and pumping, but it won't be available today. I found you another location though - the WalMart manager said you could gather in his parking lot." Or perhaps, "I'll see you in court and fight you until we finally return to a legal system that respects property rights, but you will never set foot on my property nor will you steal a single penny of a free person's money."

We need to listen to Churchill's "We Shall Fight on the Beaches" speech and take that approach to fighting the evil we face today. This is far more dangerous than the enemy our greatest generation faced, particularly because it is an internal enemy and our White House itself is controlled by America's most dangerous enemy.

26 posted on 04/14/2015 5:05:33 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

I am not talking from the POV of the left...the left is the left, and they’re gonna do what they’re gonna do. I just don’t think a baker or florist is advocating an event simply because they provide the flowers or the cake - nor do I think it’s a good witness to refuse. I support their right to do so, I just don’t think it’s a wise decision.

Especially since 99% of such requests are simply set ups.


27 posted on 04/14/2015 5:39:04 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Gamecock

You totally miss the point of “hill to die on.”


28 posted on 04/14/2015 5:39:46 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: DavidLSpud

Your post is not relevant. I don’t say do it because the left says so - I say do it because I don’t remember a single time Jesus and Joseph refused sinners their carpentry services.

And if I’m not mistaken, the first person to see the Risen Christ was a prostitute.

I just don’t think this is a wise battle to fight - though I think these businesses should be left alone.


29 posted on 04/14/2015 5:41:17 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
So?...A little free speech here....A little religious freedom there....A little freedom of association...And, as Hillary would say, “What difference does it make?”
30 posted on 04/14/2015 6:00:00 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: wintertime

stupid.


31 posted on 04/14/2015 6:06:54 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

So you agree the government has the right to arrest those who refuse?

Not following your argument.


32 posted on 04/14/2015 6:08:18 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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33 posted on 04/14/2015 6:11:16 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: fwdude

“Their favorite verse is Matthew 7:1, which says “judge not lest ye also be judged.” They quote it every time a Christian expresses an opinion...”

And they take it out of context. In this verse/siituation, it was directed specically at Pharisees who were ultra hypocrites.

The whole Bible is a manual on how to judge people and situations. God commands Christians to judge — righteously.


34 posted on 04/14/2015 6:13:43 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: fwdude

“Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God.”- Benjamin Franklin


35 posted on 04/14/2015 6:24:59 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: fwdude

Yes!
Judge Correctly !

Seems no One is quoting

the Entire VERSE!


37 posted on 04/14/2015 6:36:19 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

What would be a wise battle to fight, in your opinion?


38 posted on 04/14/2015 6:36:42 PM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I see. Anyone who expresses a contrary opinion to yours is put down. How liberal.


39 posted on 04/14/2015 6:37:37 PM PDT by MortMan (All those in favor of gun control raise both hands!)
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To: fwdude

Suppose you were told to identify and round up a particular group of people to be loaded on rail cars to be sent to camps.

That’s the “progressive” idea of “christianity.”


40 posted on 04/14/2015 6:40:58 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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