Posted on 04/02/2015 1:10:22 PM PDT by MosesKnows
How does the Mormon community react when one Mormon tells lies about another Mormon and brags of the lie's success.
//Seems as though the route to get “your religion greater recognition,” is to denigrate all other//
You mean like the LDS do as their foundation? And before you claim I am lying, I have 30 printed pages of quotes by LDS leaders to prove it. Try me.
Before the dedication, that isn’t the same and the pre-dedication tours are watered down and designed to get converts. They don’t tell you anything that really goes on there (like the creepy endowment ceremony)
“How do you think that he could run for office on such positions, and not lose his Temple status?”
Excellent question. The easy, quick answer is that it simply is not one of the recommend interview questions. Why isn’t it? Don’t know. Although a question does ask if the is anything in your life that is not in harmony with the gospel. I’m sure he didn’t think his views were a problem.
Harry? I won’t even go there.
“Actually it is true in many cases. I was asked by my bishop for a copy of my tax returns because he did not believe I was paying a full tithe. When I refused he called my boss (also LDS) to find out how much I made. I also know many others who had to hand over their W2s to get their recommend.”
Well then, I guess things have changed. But since I haven’t been involved in Mormonism for at least 50 years I guess it’s worse than when I decided I could live much better without it.
My wife’s grandmother was devout all her life. When she found she couldn’t live on what she had and pay tithing on her Social Security, the bastards denied her a recommend. It broke her heart!
When I think back to the harm the mormon church has brought to me and my family, it brings on anger in me. Unfortunately, I see the same tendencies in most organized religions, so I simply stay away from all of it. We broke the chain with our children, and all three of them have thanked us profusely for allowing them to make their own religious determinations.
There isn’t a problem with Romney’s views, nor his parent’s views, or his wife’s views, or Harry Reid’s views, or the views of the other pro-choice Mormon leaders, because they are not in conflict with their religion, that is why they are vetted and approved and given temple recommends by the church leadership.
Don’t pretend that they are not vetted and approved Mormons with Temple status and are merely sitting in a pew somewhere among the lessor Mormons.
“You mean like the LDS do as their foundation? And before you claim I am lying, I have 30 printed pages of quotes by LDS leaders to prove it. Try me.”
Hey, we are on the same page! I don’t dispute anything you’ve said. But it is equally true of a lot of other churches as well. Locally, the Presbyterian Church is very strong, and they are as vicious about the other denominations in town as any Mormon Church. I’ve been to two funerals there, and it was shameful that instead of making the gathering about those who had departed, the “pastor” in his $3,000 suit chose each time to use the time available to “sell” his church. If you had walked in off the street, you wouldn’t have known anyone had died.
“Nevada was settled by American Indians and others long before mormons came on the scene. Get your facts right.”
Guess we have different views on what constitutes a “settlement.” And Black people were White before Cain slew Abel. It all depends on your frame of reference.
““Do you sustain President Gordon B. Hinckley as Prophet, Seer and Revelator, and as the only individual holding the Keys of the Kingdom of God on the earth today?””
So Hinkley is the latest Octogenarian to run the show? I didn’t know. I did know that there was a new Argentinean Communist who was made Pope not long ago. I simply don’t care about any of them. They are all just CEO’s in their respective “God Businesses!”
He might think he is devout, but he’s missed the mark. He gives away books of Mormon but I wonder if he’s even read it and if he has, did he understand it? Because he’s more like Gadianton (super villain) when he should be like Captain Moroni (like Ted Cruz, in my opinion - man who led his people to battle to fight for their liberty, religion, families and for peace). Maybe he read it, but he became the wrong man. So I call him Gadianton Harry. Feel free to do so as well.
“I was asked by my bishop for a copy of my tax returns because he did not believe I was paying a full tithe. When I refused he called my boss”
No way. Let me guess, he was a Utard. That’s wrong on so many levels.
He doesn’t decide whether he is devout and true, his church leaders do, and then they issue him a certificate proving it.
If Harry Reid ever fails in his faith, then he gets booted from the temple and has to join the 855 of the lesser Mormons, and attend church with them.
If you a Mormon and have a Temple Recommend, then you are of equal status to Reid in your faith, if you do not, then you should strive to match him in his faith, aspire to be as faithful and true as him to your religion.
I don’t know who is the latest, I assume the names changes to fit whoever he is.
I have a hunch you are not so naive as to believe the hyper-realist cartoon of transubstantiation that you hint at. (Biting into Christ’s “knuckles.”) Luther’s “consubstantiation,” while heretical, is just as realist as the orthodox understanding of transubstantiation.
He’s the one that has to set up the appointment. So either he believes he’s worthy or he feels entitled. And if he’s not worthy, it’s on his head and his bishop’s head and God will deal with them. But I do get your point.
I think Harry will have a lot to account for in the judgement.
Did anyone else sense something about his speech in stepping down. It’s was something about him slowing down and thinking and good of the country, etc. A bit of remorse?
It doesn’t matter what the member thinks, the examination and the decision of his worthiness is made by his Bishop, and Stake President, and is based on their separate interviews with the member, then they decide if he is truly devout and a faithful follower, that examination is conducted every two years, and over time that means different Bishops and Stake Presidents.
Nothing is on his head, Harry Reid is a devoted and true Mormon.
Whatever
You don’t seem to realize that Reid being a good Mormon or a mediocre Mormon, is not a matter of opinion, he is officially examined periodically to answer that very question, and his examiners issue him official paper work proving his being an exceptionally devout Mormon.
Are you a Mormon? If so, then I assume that you are not up to Reid’s standards within your religion, that you don’t have a TR?
You don’t seem to understand that he has to start the process.
That is meaningless, it means nothing to ask your church leaders to examine you for your worthiness, what matters is what their examination of you reveals to them.
Is Harry Reid a devout Mormon? Ask him for his paper work, he carries identification proving it.
I don’t know why you keep playing games and are so troubled by his deep faith and deep commitment to his religion, are you a Mormon who comes up short when your faith is compared to Harry Reid’s?
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