Posted on 03/25/2015 1:53:26 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
You’ve got to love it when a corporation who’s intimately involved with everyday Americans decides to stand up for their rights.
Not all corporations will, in fact, many large corporations have caved in and told Moms Demand Action they’ll do anything they want so they can keep their gun hating credit cards in their stores.
Well the interesting thing is that’s actually not a good way gain business.
Check out the story below about what Kroger told Moms Demand Action and then notice the interesting results from their refusal to cave.
During a March 25 appearance on CNBC’s Squawk Box, Kroger CFO Michael Schlotman said the retail food chain will not comply with the demands of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, especially as those demands touch on changing store policy to disarm open-carry customers in states where openly carrying a gun in Kroger is legal.
Schlotman made these comments after Squawk Box host Andrew Ross Sorkin said, “In the fall there [were] these liberal groups who had organized to suggest that Kroger was allowing people to ‘open carry’ firearms in their supermarkets. What was that about and where do you guys stand on that?”
Scholtman responded:
That was a group called Moms Demand Action. They were opposed to the fact that our policy is to adhere to the local gun laws. If the local gun laws are to allow open carry, we’ll certainly allow customers to do that based on what the local laws are. We don’t believe it’s up to us to legislate what the local gun control laws should be. It’s up to the local legislators to decide to do that.
So we follow local laws [and] we ask our customers to be respectful to the other people they are shopping with. And we really haven’t had any issues inside of our stores as a result of that.
Moms Demand Action launched their campaign against Kroger on August 18. On that very day, Kroger subsidiary Fred Meyer announced they would not be changing their gun policy and the Cincinnati Enquirer reported that Kroger released a statement days later, stating that they had no intention of changing their policy either; that they “trust [customers] to be responsible in [Kroger] stores.”
After failing to achieve a policy change at Kroger or Fred Meyer, Moms Demand Action targeted North Carolina-based Harris Teeter on November 20. But Breitbart News reported that Harris Teeter quickly made it known that they would not be changing their gun policy either.
They released a statement in response to Moms Demand Action saying: “We have and will continue to adhere to the firearms and concealed handgun laws as outlined by the states in which we do business. We believe this issue is best handled by lawmakers, not retailers.”
Care to guess what happened to Kroger’s sales after all of this happened?
According to Breitbart news they actually shot up 21%.
That’s right, sales almost climbed by a quarter.
And why wouldn’t they. Most Americans are sensible enough to understand that for a corporation to go agains the laws of the land is essentially going against America.
And who wants to shop at places that aren’t for America, right?
That's a pathetic strawman argument. Pretty consistent with most of your arguments actually.
The law is the law...and as long as it's legal to open carry a sporting rifle....you will continue to shit bricks sideways....yet you claim to be a 2nd Amendment advocate who litterally owns an arsonal and thousands of rounds of ammo.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAW. KROGERS CAN PUT UP A SIGN FORBIDDING THE CARRYING OF WEAPONS OF ANY KIND AT ANY TIME AND JACKA**ES WALKING AROUND IN THEIR STORES WITH ASSAULT RIFLES GIVES THEM EVERY REASON TO DO SO. I CARRY IN KROGERS ALL THE TIME BECAUSE I AM SURROUNDED BY LOW LIFE MURDERING STEALING CRIMINALS AND YOU DIPSHIITES ARE GOING TO FORCE THEM TO PUT UP A SIGN THAT FORBIDS ME TO DO THAT SO YOU AREN'T REALLY SECOND AMENDMENT ADVOCATES DEFENDING THE RKBA. YOU ARE THREATS TO THE RKBA. YOU ARE NOT AN ALLY.
your fear is people will get sick and tired or other people exercising their god givin rights LEGALLY and rise up against you.....
MY CONCERN IS THAT KROGERS WILL GET SICK OF YOUR SHIITE AND YOU WILL TURN POPULAR SENTIMENT AGAINST OUR RIGHTEOUS CAUSE. MY CONCERN IS THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY YOUR INTENT.
My rights dont depend on your OPINION.
YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO CARRY AN ASSAULT RIFLE THROUGH THE LOCAL KROGERS GROCERY STORE. THANKS TO THE FINE PEOPLE AT KROGERS GROCERY STORE, YOU PRESENTLY HAVE THE PRIVELEGE OF GETTING AWAY WITH CARRYING AN ASSAULT RIFLE THROUGH KROGERS. THAT PRIVELEGE CAN BE TAKEN AWAY IN A MATTER OF SECONDS AND IT WILL BE AND YOU KNOW IT.
WE'RE DONE HERE.
“Who decides [what’s responsible carry]?”
YOU decide if YOU are responsible.
A bunch of you completely misunderstood my point.
YOU know if YOU are going into the store to shop vs use it as a political grandstand (regardless of how cleverly you rationalize it, you know if you’re doing it to force an issue on people who are there for reasons far removed from your issue).
As a proper customer buying goods/services? while sensibly exercising a right in a polite/unobtrusive manner? good.
As a political activist feigning “customer” to thrust the issue into public awareness via a private business? you’re no better than these dweebs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ita0efOQ7Xo
Remember this point very well: we had won Starbucks, they’d declared “we are committed to respecting local law, and if that means open carry is legal, we’re OK with you open carrying so long as you’re not a jerk about it” ... then a bunch of jerks (knowing full well what they were doing) decided to rub that win in customers’ faces with frequent & recurring “Starbucks Armed Appreciation Days” in a way that DID wantonly piss off customers & management, to the point that Starbucks had to reverse their gun-agnostic policy policy a la “you OC people are being willfully obnoxious & disruptive about it, get out”.
My point?
We won Kroger.
Now don’t piss ‘em off, lest we lose them like we did Starbucks.
A close-fit OC holster is fine as normal daily carry; shop away, so long as that’s the real reason you’re in Kroger. A tricked-out AR slung isn’t, it’s not your normal daily carry, if you have it in Kroger (special cases aside) you’re not there to shop.
Don’t be a jerk.
Don’t OC _at_ people.
You missed my point. See #63.
I’m all for OC, so long as you’re not a jerk about it.
And you know when you’re being a jerk about it, no matter how much you want to be, and how much you rationalize it.
Starbucks was OK with OC until people started being jerks about it.
Kroger is OK with OC; don’t be a jerk about it.
And yes, you know when you’re being a jerk.
Respectfully, and in a soft and careful tone, I disagree. You scumbag liberal slime, HOW DARE YOU!!! If I may gently and respectfully point out: it is up to a person how they protest, so long as they break no laws. WHAT ARE YOU, SOME SOROS-PLANT scumbag INSANE BLOOMBERG LIBERAL creep???!?!? I appreciate your right to have a different opinion, and I highly value your input, in the most civil and respectful way. THERE IS *NOTHING* REDEEMING ABOUT YOU, EVERY *INCH* of you is corrupt and FOUl!!!
Why thank you!
You’re number 1 with me too!
I hope you noticed the alternation between civility and rabid foam-spittling ranting. It was performance art. GOOD performance art.
You soulless creep you.
How does that work if you replace the second amendment with the first amendment?
Don't SPEAK at _AT_ people? The whole purpose of the amendment is that you can speak _at_ people and make them uncomfortable.
You are trying to decide which is responsible speech that you approve of using your clever _at_ someone thing. It don't work like that.
A right is a right, even if you don't like the speech or the carry.
/johnny
There, the rules apply and there is no need to be polite.
/johnny
If you enter a coffeeshop and proceed to strike up a polite conversation with another willing patron over a fresh cup, the proprietor should not evict you just because he does not like your position.
Likewise, if you’re OCing discretely as mundane protection, fine.
If you enter a coffeeshop and proceed to scream offensive content at other patrons, the proprietor may evict you immediately.
Likewise, if you’re hauling offensive weapons around the shop for the purpose of making people face their own biases & fears, don’t be surprised if you’re not trusted and removed as a possible threat.
Indeed, I’m talking solely about private property where the public is invited in for commercial interaction.
If you want to carry your tricked-out AR down the street to make the point that you can carry your tricked-out AR down the street, be my guest. I might even join you.
Shop Rites are individually owned. Now many Shop Rite owners own multiple stores but if you’re boycotting Klein’s Shop Rite just be clear that you’re boycotting one actually owned by Klein.
Oh boy...all caps.....you must be series now.
LMAO....
May your chains rest lightly....
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, Unless RC one thinks it’s unreasonable or CTD thinks you are a Jerk”
Damn I never noticed that last part....
Well you sure got me there....
/sarc
Again, you wantonly misconstrue my point.
Kroger has an OC-tolerant policy (just like Starbucks did).
If you use your right to OC to annoy Kroger customers, Kroger will use their right to tell you to get the he11 out of their store.
If a whole bunch of people use their right to OC to annoy a whole lot of Kroger customers, Kroger will use their right to tell anyone OCing to get the he11 out of their store (just like Starbucks did).
The RKBA does not trump a private store’s right to refuse association with people who, as individuals or as a representative group, give reason to deem persona non grata.
It’s not about whether _I_ think you’re a jerk, it’s about whether the property owner thinks you’re a jerk and whether he is willing to associate with jerks.
Don’t be a jerk.
You know if you’re being a jerk.
You know if Kroger’s owners/managers will think you’re being a jerk.
Being a jerk can ruin things for you and everyone associated with you.
Yes, you have RKBA.
If you want to exercise it for the sake of exercising it on public property, go right ahead. I’d be happy to join you.
If you want to exercise it for the sake of shoving the issue in people’s faces on private property without consent of the property owner - nay, to the annoyance & dismay of the property owner - then don’t be surprised if you’re evicted and anyone acting vaguely like you (say, OCing at all) are banned from the premises.
Or would you not object to me exercising my freedom of speech, very loudly, from 9PM - 6AM every night on your front lawn?
I don't carry an AR-15.
I am just getting above 100 pounds in weight again, so carrying concealed unless it winter is not an option for me. Especially in the summer when shorts and armless t-shirts are normal.
I've been through all the options and they are BS. If I weighed 160 concealed would work. Or even 130. I won't carry a purse.
I just want to strap on a 1911 style and go do my business without getting in anyone's face.
Moms Against the 2nd doesn't want me to open carry, even politely, anywhere.
/johnny
I haven’t set foot in a KMART since they stopped ammunition sales while the nation was under attack on 9-11-01. That was the same as siding with the attackers.
And I am completely agreeing with you.
So long as your motivation for OC at Kroger is mundane & sensible, and not designed to irritate other customers, I’m there with you. I’m 160ish and concealed is uncomfortable (especially in the fast-approaching heat).
Nice thing is, Kroger welcomes you & I doing so - so long as we’re not intentionally disruptive. I’m ranting against those defending/promoting “intentionally disruptive”.
Glad Kroger told MDA to pound sand.
Having seen what happened after Starbucks did too, I’m trying to ensure Kroger doesn’t end up telling us to pound sand as well.
Crim seems intent on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
“I’m ranting”
I agree.
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