Battle flag at center of Supreme Court free speech case

AP ^ | March 22, 2015

[PROCON]

Texas commemorates the Confederacy in many ways, from an annual celebration of Confederate Heroes Day each January to monuments on the grounds of the state Capitol in Austin. Among the memorials is one that has stood for more than a century, bearing an image of the Confederate battle flag etched in marble.

But you're out of luck if you want to put that flag on your license plate. Texas says that would be offensive.

[vetvetdoug]

If accession into the Union was allowable, then secession was legal. Rhode Island didn't join the Union until years after the United States was formed. It was in our Constitution for secession until it was changed at the point of a bayonet by Lincoln and his followers. Do you know how many Southern States had Lincoln on the ballot for the election of 1860?

[central_va]

Honorable men bump.

[vetvetdoug]

The Lone Star Flag flew over the South’s Armies that were from Texas that represented that State and by default were a Confederate Flag. Any flying of the Lone Star Flag means that at a time it represented secession and slavery which is no different than that of the CBF. Hypocrisy by the politically correct component of the Texas legislature.

[rockrr]

States joined the union by mutual consent. Unilateral secession has never been legal.

[central_va]

Unilateral secession has never been legal.

Yeah and you never seem to quote the article/section where that is covered..

[rockrr]

You’re not very bright but even you know that the Constitution is silent on secession. That doesn’t mean that just because something isn’t specifically enumerated then anything goes. States were admitted to the union by mutual consent. That is the only way (short of rebellion and all that entails) to leave.

[vetvetdoug]

The Federalist Papers and the underlying first sentence changed by the committee on style. We, the people of the United States was changed from We, the people of the States of ..... is where the first discordance emerges on the right of secession. There is an entire reference written by Alfred Bledsoe on the right of secession that never went to court. Many uneducated people have no idea of the research and documentation of the right of secession. Bledsoe became the Chancellor of The University of Mississippi after the war.

[central_va]

The South hating anti secessionists really are just statist thugs that hate the republic.

[vetvetdoug]

William Leech, the former Attorney General of Tennessee, and I had many times a long discussion about the issue of secession. He also had a common statement that has been repeated many times, don't argue with fools or those that are ignorant of the issue at hand, they will only bring you down to a lower level. RIP Bill.

[ohioman]

I see you joined FR in August of 2014 so I really doubt your conservative credentials after reading your statements. I had ancestors who fought admirably on both sides and as a result I have both a U.S. and Rebel flag. There is nothing wrong with this and by you equating this with the Nazi flag just makes you out to be a horses ass, or even worse a troll!

[ohioman]

GFY scumbag!

[PROCON]

Yes, he is a troll and he parades his Navy Service as an excuse(?) for his misguided attempts at being relevant.

[CPT Clay]

I would love to see it.

[trebb]

“I know it has a grand sound to say ye’ll accept no salvation which leaves even one creature in the dark outside. But watch that sophistry or you’ll make a Dog in a Manger the tyrant of the universe.”

Potent statement by C. S. Lewis.

I am curious about the context you were thinking of when you posted it - it isn't obviously clear to me. Are you saying we shouldn't be tolerant of free speech, even if offensive because that would be the sophistry Lewis speaks of?

[DoodleDawg]

The USA owes the South an apology for conducting Mr. Lincoln’s War.

LOL

[AnAmericanMother]

Just saying that when we jump to accommodate everyone who feels “offended”, we make the sensitive and the whiners and the professional agitators the tyrants of the universe.

[lentulusgracchus]

If you aint southern,you aint.It was yankee aggression and what they did to our homes and land is unforgivable.

The American People have paid a price beyond the stars and beyond all calculation for what was done to the American idea during the Civil War.

Bankers, Massachusetts politicians, and railroad men (but I repeat myself) feasted on white-collar lawlessnesss during and after the Civil War, which burst the bonds of the Constitution and unleashed the full ferality of "access capitalism".

[lentulusgracchus]

Just saying that when we jump to accommodate everyone who feels “offended”, we make the sensitive and the whiners and the professional agitators the tyrants of the universe.

Actually, the people who prosper from the whining are the pols and crats who pretend to make a "composition of differences" in favor of the agitators, always at the expense of the "chump class" -- which would be us.

[lentulusgracchus]

You got Old Glory in there?

Which one? :)

Do a 31-star and a 34-star "glory" pattern get 'er done?

Just picked up last year a 49-star "Alaska" and a fresh 50-star to relieve the old color that needs to go to the Boy Scouts for proper retirement. Year before last, I found a 13-star of the non-Betsy Ross pattern, with the stars in straight rows. There are two famous paintings of Washington crossing the Delaware River, and he has a different pattern in the boat with him in each version.

And of course I have a Betsy Ross, which I fly only on the Fourth, with a Rattlesnake Jack or a Gadsden or Culpeper Militia Flag right below it . "Nemo me impune lacessit. Don't tread on me."

[lentulusgracchus]

Since this was a total war fought only on American soil, I also count the civilians, mostly in the South, who died of starvation, exposure, and epidemics during and immediately following the war.

Someone did that accounting, and came up with just under a million dead as the "price" of the war.

The fact suggests many questions. Its consequences are demonstrable, and pleasing only to Unionists, millionaires, Marxists, and Yankee triumphalists.