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Battle flag at center of Supreme Court free speech case
AP ^ | March 22, 2015

Posted on 03/22/2015 12:28:41 PM PDT by PROCON

Texas commemorates the Confederacy in many ways, from an annual celebration of Confederate Heroes Day each January to monuments on the grounds of the state Capitol in Austin. Among the memorials is one that has stood for more than a century, bearing an image of the Confederate battle flag etched in marble.

But you're out of luck if you want to put that flag on your license plate. Texas says that would be offensive.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; confederateflag; dixie; lawsuit; scotus; texas
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To: Blue Ink

61 posted on 03/22/2015 5:45:00 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Texan5

I find the State of Texas in a major case of hypocrisy when it comes to the Confederate Battle Flag. At almost every battle during the Civil War the Texans flew the banner of the Lone Star State fighting against the Union. Now, what is the difference between the State flag fighting against the Union versus the Confederate Battle Flag that was never adopted by the Confederacy but only by the men that fought upon the battlefields?


62 posted on 03/22/2015 5:49:10 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Reno89519

I don’t agree. This is a First Amendment issue.


63 posted on 03/22/2015 5:50:24 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Reno89519
And, yes, I know I'll get flamed here by a number of folks who will defend their offensive views, throw hate at me, call me names, etc.

I really love the preemptive "I'm the victim" tactic. It really impressed us all when you show us how clever you think you are by using it.

64 posted on 03/22/2015 5:51:50 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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To: Blue Ink

My slave owning ancestors fought for the Union and the non owning ancestors fought for the Confederacy. Yes, the non owning ancestors fought for the State and were being invaded by the Federal government and other sovereign states. Here in the States where these men should be remembered for their sacrifice, their memories should not be placed upon shame for doing the duty that was governed by the allegiance to the state, not the Federal government. The Confederacy just wanted out of the Union and autonomy.


65 posted on 03/22/2015 5:54:28 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Blue Ink
How many men were tried under the Constitution for being traitors after the Civil War? Why? No one was taken to court for being a traitor because it was their right to secede. Chase knew he could not win in a court of law against Bledsoe who spent the entire Civil War studying the only other complete document of the Constitution in England. Chase, Johnson, and Lincoln all knew that in a court of law it would be suicide and would likely have to pay reparations for invading the South.
66 posted on 03/22/2015 5:58:51 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug

A lot of Freeters think the Confederate leadership should have been tried and executed. They have mental fantasies of Lee hanging from a rope. I think that thought arouses them sexually.


67 posted on 03/22/2015 6:03:20 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Blue Ink
...the civilians, mostly in the South, who died of starvation, exposure, and epidemics during and immediately following the war.

These mostly Southern civilians died because of the actions of an army flying which flag?

The army flying either that hated, traitorous Stars & Bars or the Confederate Battle Flag was responsible for how many Northern civilian battle casualties or subsequent deaths due to their scorched earth policies?

68 posted on 03/22/2015 6:04:07 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: NurdlyPeon

NurdlyPeon, no ‘victim’ tactic. Just reality and no different than we all have heard since around 2008 whenever we criticize Obama. At this point, it comes with the territory and I only pointed it out to say, I don’t care. What the rude, disrespectful, and hostile comments do is show the shallowness of those few folks that have nothing intelligent to say and prefer to spout anger and hate as if that might win the day.


69 posted on 03/22/2015 6:05:39 PM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: BwanaNdege
Northern civilian battle casualties

You are clearly a historical neophyte.

70 posted on 03/22/2015 6:08:26 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Reno89519
Equating my Southern ancestor to Muslims and Nazis isn't hateful at all, No sir eeee. /sarc

You owe this forum an apology NOW.

71 posted on 03/22/2015 6:10:15 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Always the drama queen eh cva?


72 posted on 03/22/2015 6:11:51 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: vetvetdoug

“The Confederacy just wanted out of the union.” Rebellion. Treason.

The Colonies just wanted out of England. Rebellion. Treason.

I’m not even offering an opinion on the “justness” of the cause of the South. i’m saying you can’t even argue about it unless you first acknowledge that it was a war of REBELLION prosecuted by TRAITORS — exactly like the Colonies. Only difference — the Colonies won.

In the case of the Colonies, I’m glad the traitors won. But they were traitors nonetheless.


73 posted on 03/22/2015 6:14:39 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: BwanaNdege

The South rebelled — the South owns every Civil War death. Just like the Germans own every death in Dresden and the Japanese own Hiroshima.


74 posted on 03/22/2015 6:17:15 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink
The South rebelled — the South owns every Civil War death. Just like the Germans own every death in Dresden and the Japanese own Hiroshima.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."

75 posted on 03/22/2015 6:20:17 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: Blue Ink
The US Constitution is silent on the subject of secession. After his capture President Davis wanted to be tried for treason but the cowardly Yankees wouldn't do it. They were going to lose in court and they knew it.

I'll bet it bothers you that there are roads all overt the South named after traitors and Army forts too! I wonder if you would be interested in hearing what that traitor President Eisenhower said about Lee.

August 9, 1960

Dear Dr. Scott:

Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of Secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower

76 posted on 03/22/2015 6:20:50 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BwanaNdege

There was no such necessity in 1861.


77 posted on 03/22/2015 6:21:25 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Blue Ink

South hater. The USA owes the South an apology for conducting Mr. Lincoln’s War.


78 posted on 03/22/2015 6:22:43 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Reno89519
" The Confederate flag, in any form, is no different than flying the Nazi flag "

I heard an organizer from the Socialist Worker's Party make that exact argument when I was in college many years ago. I don't run across many folks sticking to the SWP talking points here on FR. Should I greet you as 'Comrade' or would 'Commissar' be more fitting?

Reno89519
Since Aug 1, 2014

79 posted on 03/22/2015 6:25:36 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: vetvetdoug

I agree with you that the Confederate soldiers should not have been ashamed after their service. The leaders and generals who took those farmers to slaughter and to be slaughtered by their own countrymen, however, should have died of shame.


80 posted on 03/22/2015 6:28:39 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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