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Battle flag at center of Supreme Court free speech case
AP ^ | March 22, 2015

Posted on 03/22/2015 12:28:41 PM PDT by PROCON

Texas commemorates the Confederacy in many ways, from an annual celebration of Confederate Heroes Day each January to monuments on the grounds of the state Capitol in Austin. Among the memorials is one that has stood for more than a century, bearing an image of the Confederate battle flag etched in marble.

But you're out of luck if you want to put that flag on your license plate. Texas says that would be offensive.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; confederateflag; dixie; lawsuit; scotus; texas
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To: Reno89519

My great grandfather (my grandfather’s father) was born in 1835 and fought with Indiana in the Civil War. That said, my sympathy is with the smaller government, free to choose your destiny southern side.

Nope. Not racist. Despise slavery and wish it had never been allowed in the USA. I think much of what our country has suffered is God’s punishment of us for tolerating it as long as we did.

But most of the infringements on my rights to believe what I want, including the rights to say what I think and to act on my beliefs, was defeated when the North won the Civil War. It established the supremacy of the Federal Government over any state government, and the principle that no state could withdraw from the “Union”, even if that is what the 13 colonies did during the American Revolution 80 years earlier...


21 posted on 03/22/2015 2:12:24 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Texan5
I don’t care for being descended in most part from from slave holding Spaniards-but to pretend that Spanish flag-or any of the other five-never flew here, or forbid the display of it is not only forbidding free speech, it is also being in denial...

Slavery was universal before William Wilberforce made moralistic arguments against it and passed a bill in Parliament to abolish it in the British Empire. But his arguments were never as severe as what we've heard in this country, especially in the 1850's when Abolitionists raged against a seemingly immovable political and economic pillar of the South.

The modern use of severe condemnations of the South has been as I posted above, as hate-propaganda against Southern rejection of liberalism and its poisonous ideas, intended to split conservatives just as we've seen on this board.

Reflect, if you will, on the fact that England and Brazil didn't have to kill a million people (600,000 of them on the battlefield) to abolish slavery and substitute some other system. The disparity between their experience and ours will tell you that something else has been at work in America.

22 posted on 03/22/2015 2:18:18 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Seems 'the flag' has had many shapes and visages and an argument could be made pro and con, about any of them

Too bad people are not taught history and further ... remember it.

23 posted on 03/22/2015 2:22:32 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Reno89519
The Confederate flag, in any form, is no different than flying the Nazi flag or Islamic flag.

So much nonsense in so few words.

24 posted on 03/22/2015 2:25:16 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: Reno89519

Good points. Remembering history is great but using neoConfederate logic shouldn’t German Americans be allowed to celebrate the Nazi flag...its part of their heritage...


25 posted on 03/22/2015 2:30:21 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: icwhatudo
I believe the Atlanta Journal-Constitution published the 1962 date in a Cynthia Tucker article from "about" 1997, about the history of lynching in the South. She, of course, relied on other sources, but gave 1962 and 4700~ (I think it was 4704 but can't be sure) total victims.

Which pales next to the number of white and other non-black people murdered since 1984, when the "crack wars" started and YBM's started "murdering out" in numbers. From 1984 to 1994, when the "wars" started to die down, 6000+ nonblacks per year were being murdered by young black men. That's just a fact.

The Justice Department, under Janet Reno and Bill Clinton, tried to obscure the fact by assigning 1/4 of all "nonblack" victims' murders to "unknown" perpetrators ... these were officially called "stranger murders" since there were often no traditional ties and links detectives could follow to discover a perpetrator. But comparison with other violent crimes in which the victims survived shows who the "unknown" perps were: YBM's.

26 posted on 03/22/2015 2:31:41 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: jmacusa

About the same. I get a really bad flash when I see de blasio, schumer and some of the others!


27 posted on 03/22/2015 2:35:29 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: PROCON

Should your car horn be allowed to play “Dixie”? I say yes. :-)


28 posted on 03/22/2015 2:36:21 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: PROCON

Should your car horn be allowed to play “Dixie”? I say yes. :-)


29 posted on 03/22/2015 2:36:22 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: PROCON
This entire thread needs a

TRIGGER ALERT

30 posted on 03/22/2015 2:37:40 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Reno89519
The Confederate flag, in any form, is no different than flying the Nazi flag or Islamic flag.

Oh, and look at this:

Reno89519: Comparing Islam and Nazis is one thing, labeling people is another that I think unnecessarily discredits the messenger.

Cognitive dissonance much?

31 posted on 03/22/2015 2:37:51 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: dainbramaged
My ancestors (that I'm aware of) fought for the Union -- two of them in the Navy, supposedly -- and I have about 45 flags, about ten of them US Nationals in different patterns, about seven or eight Confederate, half-a-dozen Texas Revolutionary flags and an equal number of colonial-era American flags (like the Taunton Flag and the Continental Flag, the Bunker Hill Flag, and the flag the Green Mountain Boys carried in the Revolution under Ethan Allen and "Mad Anthony" Wayne.

They're all American flags, every one. Not a British or a Mexican or a German flag in the bunch, unless you're counting the colonial flags as "British".

32 posted on 03/22/2015 2:39:23 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Reno89519

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But to force your opinion on others is as reprehensible as anything this regime has conjured up in the bowels of Hades. The Confederate battle flag is as much a part of our history as the Gadsden Flag or the Fort McHenry flag. Ignore your history and you will be condemned to repeat it.

Do you really believe the 50 star, 13 stripe flag is the American flag. I disagree most strenuously. America ceased to exist the day the half breed boy first turned his back on the Constitution. We now live in Acirema, where the guilty are rewarded and the innocent are punished. Fly the flag if you must; but be sure it is upside down. For if the republic were ever in danger, it is today.


33 posted on 03/22/2015 2:46:28 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
You think I like them either? I'm not a ‘’Yankee’’ or a ‘’Northerner''’’ I'm an American. What are you?
34 posted on 03/22/2015 2:46:47 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: NTHockey
For if the republic were ever in danger, it is today.

Nitpicky, but I am curious about the grammar. Your sentence reads well, but I wonder if "If the republic WAS" is better grammar, since it is a singular object.

35 posted on 03/22/2015 2:48:23 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The FCC takeover of the internet will quickly become a means to censorship of dissent.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
You got Old Glory in there? My ancestors fought for Union too, Army of The Potomac.
36 posted on 03/22/2015 2:48:54 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I spent the 4th grade in Titusville, FL.

We sang "Dixie" everyday, IIRC.

37 posted on 03/22/2015 2:51:35 PM PDT by PROCON (Always Give 100% --- Unless you're donating blood.)
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To: jmacusa
"The mobs of great cities add just so much to the support of pure government, as sores do to the strength of the human body."

Thomas Jefferson

38 posted on 03/22/2015 2:59:50 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: Lazamataz

“Your sentence reads well, but I wonder if “If the republic WAS” is better grammar, since it is a singular object.”

“Were” is correct. It isn’t about the singular object. He is positing a situation that may or may not exist. Is the republic in danger? Opinions vary. When you’re just supposing, the correct tense is the subjunctive.

“If I were you, I would ask for a raise” is the same construction. I’m not you. Contrary to fact. But if I WERE you, here’s what I would do.


39 posted on 03/22/2015 3:05:36 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
My ancestors fought in both armies. I am proud of them all.

I'm a direct descendent of a Union soldier and I have no problem with the southern battle flag........In fact, I respect it!

It fact, most of the political correctness surrounding this symbol of the South evolved to all the other shit such as teams names coming under attack by the leftists idiots.......

40 posted on 03/22/2015 3:13:31 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Uncle Sy: "Beavers are like Ninjas, they only come out at night and they're hard to find")
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