Posted on 03/14/2015 10:30:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
You have to give a certain amount of credit to politicians who are able to maintain a level of consistency, if nothing else. Stopping in New Hampshire, Jeb Bush was faced with yet another series of questions on the subject which seems to have sunk his prospects with conservatives this cycle. When asked yet again about a possible path to citizenship for illegals and a chance to “come out of the shadows” in an orderly fashion, Bush doubled down and let all of you haters out there know that he’s the grown up in the room here.
Jeb Bush said he would be open to allowing illegal immigrants a path to citizenship and said his position on immigration is “the grown-up plan.”
The former Florida governor, a vocal supporter of granting legal status to some undocumented immigrants as part of a broader immigration overhaul, offered a robust defense of his immigration policy during a discussion with local business leaders here.
“It’s easy to say, ‘Well, anything you propose is amnesty,’ but that’s not a plan,” Mr. Bush said during a discussion with local business leaders here. “That’s a sentiment, that’s not a plan. I think the best plan, the most realistic plan, the grown up plan, if you will, is once you control the border and you’re confident it’s not going to be another magnet, is to say, ‘Let’s let these folks achieve earned legal status where they work, where they come out of the shadows.’”
Later, during a brief exchange with reporters, Mr. Bush said he could also be supportive of a path to citizenship for people in the country illegally – as he did at one time – but said there currently isn’t sufficient political support for it.
It’s an interesting strategy to be sure, and one which leads us to believe that Jeb honestly believes he can run the table in the primaries without any serious conservative support. Our last survey of you, our readers, shows Bush standing steady with, er… one percent support. This is relatively unchanged since the beginning of the winter. And who knows? Maybe he’s not entirely crazy… the RCP average currently has him in second place behind Walker by a fingernail, well inside the margin of error. Of course, at this point in the cycle these polls are all over the place.
The scattershot nature of these numbers should be enough of a warning about taking them too seriously. McClatchy and Fox News actually have Bush in the lead, though the Fox numbers are getting a little stale at this point. PPP has Walker well out in front, and for some reason CNN thinks Huck is running away with it. But since we’re on the topic of wide ranging opinions, national views regarding the rest of the candidates versus the conservative snapshot you find at Hot Air is rather fascinating also.
Really, the only area of national vs conservative consensus at the moment seems to be Walker. He’s a runaway favorite here and manages to be at the top of the pack, albeit with a much more slender margin, among the rest of the nation. Bush, as already noted, is completely upside down. The nation at large sees him as at least a viable first choice while he’s barely a blip on the radar for conservatives. Ted Cruz is the only strong challenger to Walker here, but nationally he’s hovering near the back end of the main pack at 4.4%. We get back to some sort of parity with Marco Rubio. He’s in third place with our readers, but it’s a very distant third. His seventh place finish in the RCP poll of polls sounds a lot worse, but he’s got a still almost respectable 4.8% which isn’t that far off from the 6% he pulls at Hot Air.
The two other biggest disparities at this point seem to be Ben Carson and Chris Christie. The New Jersey Governor is still seen as at least a possibility among Republicans nationally, though he’s fallen a long way, but among the Hot Gas crowd, he managed an entire four votes out of more than 1,500. Carson didn’t do much better here with 12 votes, but nationally he’s in 4th place with more than 10%. (And that figure definitely keeps him in the competitive hunt along with Walker and Bush.)
Getting back to Jeb, both immigration and Common Core seem to be his downfall among the faithful. Statements like this one from New Hampshire aren’t going to do him any favors either. But could it disqualify him? I seem to recall seeing a pretty huge revolt against Romney last time, but he still made it across the finish line in fairly strong shape. Food for thought at least.
Related: Daniel Doherty at Townhall offers his own thoughts on the recent polling here. He thinks pretty highly of you guys!
Isn't that the liberals plan?
Jeb: I’m sure you’re a nice guy. BUT no way is US going to elect a third Bush. The father and son tag team is relatively rare, but no mas bush!
No, Jebbie Boy, it isn’t. It’s a childish little brat’s plan. Now put down your squirt gun and sit down.
Is he trying to lose?
The prinmary responsibility of every politician is to represent the interests of American citizens (although very few do so).
Jeb cannot be trusted to make fair and rational decisions pertainming to immigration and satisfying that responsibility because of his emotional connection with Mexico, Mexicans and his Mexican wife.
For those who would like more detail just do a little web surfing - Jeb's entire personal history and experience is all out there in the public domain.
“Jeb Bush said he would be open to allowing illegal immigrants a path to citizenship and said his position on immigration is “the grown-up plan.”
Oh here we go more of that “smart” liberal stuff again. So
now we have the new narrative of insult, the “grown-up”
label. Obama tells us we are not smart and Bush tells we
need to grow up. Just like the Obama, he’s an ass.
The opposition to a presidency dynasty was brought to us by Bush 41 and Bush 43. Bush 41 gave us Clinton 42—up to his eyeballs in corruption. Bush 43 gave us Obama 44—up to his eyeballs in Constitutional lawlessness. Bush 41 gave us Bush 43 who let the DemonRATs rule the narrative and blame him for the economic collapse. What spawn will Obama 42 bring? Will it bring Bush 45 or Clinton 45? The DemonRATs will try to make the case that Bush 45 will be “three strikes your out!” For Clinton 45, it will be “the second time’s a charm” and especially, if it is “such a charming woman” as the Hildebeast. For baseball enthusiasts, Clinton 45 has the edge (because of feminist identity politics) over Bush 45. Don’t forget “the charm” (sarc.).
How to change the equation: Run a male candidate (President) with a female candidate for Vice President. The female Vice President would satisfy the female identity politics component. The intent would be to have the change of command go to the Vice President after the President serves two terms. Then, the prepared Vice President would be in line for the first woman president. Sarah, America’s First Lady!
Presidents who were Vice President when elected:
John Adams
George Bush
Thomas Jefferson
Martin Van Buren
Presidents who became President by succession:
Chester A Arthur
Calvin Coolidge
Millard Fillmore
Gerald R Ford
Andrew Johnson
Lyndon B Johnson
Theodore Roosevelt
Harry S Truman
John Tyler
Who were V.P. earlier than getting elected:
Richard M Nixon
My Dream Team:
Senator Ted Cruz (President), Gov. Sarah Palin (Vice President). In this case, Gov. Sarah Palin would be “the second time’s a charm” candidate. And, Sarah would win in the “charming” category. See the below poll results.
The reality:
Gov. Scott Walker (President), Gov. Sarah Palin, Gov. Nikki Haley, Gov. Susana Martinez or Gov. Mary Fallin (Vice President).
An online poll by TheTeaParty.net and the conservative group Contract from America (as reported by the “Washington Examiner”) asked 62,000 Tea Party supporters who they’d like to see in 2016. Because it was an online poll, there is not the scientific accuracy and I am not sure how the respondents listed their preferences when the percentage totals should add up to 100% of the total responses. However, it does give a look at what conservatives are thinking:
1. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz-84 percent.
2. Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul-80 percent.
3. Dr. Ben Carson-77 percent.
4. Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker-70 percent.
5. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin-64 percent.
6. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee-59 percent.
7. Texas Gov. Rick Perry-59 percent.
8. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal-56 percent.
9. South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley-55 percent.
10. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio-52 percent.
11. Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice-48 percent.
12. Former Sen. Rick Santorum-46 percent.
13. Rep. Paul Ryan-45 percent.
14. Ohio Gov. John Kasich-42 percent.
15. Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin-41 percent.
16. Indiana Gov. Mike Pence-41 percent.
17. New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez-41 percent.
18. Rep. Steve King-37 percent.
19. New Hampshire Sen. Kelly Ayotte-30 percent.
20. Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr.-29 percent.
21. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush-29 percent.
22. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie-15 percent.
Notice who is on top and on the bottom.
“That’s right, the invasion will continue no matter what. The GOPe just wants to codify it into law.”
A lot of strange things happened here in Texas while Bush
was governor. I remember that Bush, Fox, and Martin were in
some secret meetings and part of the treaties were
classified. I wouldn’t doubt that we have a treaty with
Mexico and Canada, you know the hat and socks of north America,
to erase our borders with them, like they did with the
PU in Europe. Probably either in NAFTA, CAFTA or GAT.
It was hand in hand with the trans Texas corridor.
Then you go 15% from Africa.
Maybe 15% from Asia. 15 % from Latin America and so on.
Let us be racially fair and biased towards people who will pay and not take taxes.
First lets put fences all along our borders and guard them.
Let us kind of try a little to not have terrorist just walk in if they look like Mexicans or Canadians.
THAT is a mature immigration policy.
I will never vote for Jeb Bush. Find the short pier and take the long walk to Cuba or something Jeb.
Feh. Conservatives got called that all the time here on FreeRepublic by posters who said we got our "widdle feewings hurt" when we refused to support Mitt in '12. I imagine the same thing's going to happen again in '16 when Jeb's the nominee. That's alright; I don't give a flying Leahy what GOPe apologists say to me anyway...
“THAT is a mature immigration policy.”
It would be a lot easier and cheaper just to prosecute the
hell out of the employers. All in took was for one a-hole
employer, who broke the law and got away with it, that
got us to where we are today. You will never have any
control over illegal immigration as long as the real
scumbags that caused the problem in the first place
are dealt with and held accountable. I say use the
forfeiture laws they use in drug enforcement on them and
go after their ill gotten gains.
While Dems had the super majority with and the President they also made it legal for only illegals to be guilty of identity theft/document fraud. Not once, but they can do this three times. I mean three names, SS numbers and the such.
A lot needs to change. How come we prosecute residents and citizens over document fraud and not illegals?
Then there is the massive tax fraud using the child tax credit 15-30 times a return every year.
“but he still made it across the finish line in fairly strong shape.”
“Except for that general election thingy.”
Funny thing is, all along Obama had the IRS sabotaging and
suppressing the TEA Party. Romney knew what was going on
and said nor did nothing because it was in his best interest
not to do so. I wonder where Jeb was on that one.
“Then there is the massive tax fraud using the child tax credit 15-30 times a return every year.”
Now I think that’s just to piss us off. You know what that is?
Theft, they print the money, they give it to the wetbacks,
they inflate the currency and they rob our savings and retirement.
Yes, they are allowed to some extent to file false tax returns without making an income for maybe a 20k return.
Then they may get $600 a month or more for an American born child. EBT, WIC, free medical and probably limo service.
Jeb if amnesty is the grown up plan, you’ve grown up to be an ass.
Lol Here comes another paid off Bush to save us all. What a gutless tool.
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