Posted on 03/04/2015 6:34:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Does prison sex prove that sexual orientation is a choice? Given that much of what constitutes “sex” in prison occurs under some sort of duress, using it as an example of “choice” seems like … a stretch, to say the least. Dr. Ben Carson, who just announced the formation of a presidential exploration committee, defended the traditional definition of marriage in an interview this morning with CNN’s Chris Cuomo by relying on that argument to differentiate same-sex marriage advocacy from the civil rights movement (via Twitchy):
Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon and potential Republican presidential candidate, said Wednesday that “a lot of people who go into prison straight, and when they come out they’re gay.”
The remarks were made on CNN’s “New Day” in response to a question from host Chris Cuomo, who asked if Carson thought being gay was a “choice.”
“Absolutely,” Carson replied.
Asked why, he went on to explain his prison theory. “So did something happen while they were in there?” he said. “Ask yourself that question.”
Actually, please don’t. It’s entirely possible to defend the traditional definition of marriage and even the position that sexuality is a choice without citing prison sex as an indicator. Even some in the LGBT community see sexuality as a choice rather than innate, and the real answer probably lies somewhere in between — and individually, all over that range.
This is the kind of answer that makes it pretty clear that Carson’s winging it. There are plenty of ways to defend the traditional definition of marriage, perhaps especially as protection for children in procreative relationships, which is really the only real stake the state has in regulating interpersonal relationships between consenting and non-consanguinal adults anyway. Non-procreative relationships can acquire most if not all of the legal benefits of marriage through partnership contracts. The real free-market solution is to get government out of marriage altogether and let the churches define it for their congregants and have everyone rely on contracts, which government is actually suited to enforce.
This argument only serves as fodder for those who want to Akinize the whole Republican Party. If Dr. Carson wants to compete at the highest level, he’ll need to either learn the issues a lot better, or learn how to parry the obvious media attempts to make him look like a nut from the fringe. And don’t think for a moment that the media will refrain from painting all Republican presidential contenders as nuts for this, either. They will be looking for a distraction from Hillary Clinton’s meltdown, and this might do nicely for a cycle or two. Want to bet this comes up in a primary debate?
Good read and comments on this thread as well.
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No more than a concentration camp inmate "choosing" to eat a piece of moldy bread or a rat.
Prison sex also shows that being gay is a degenerate and perverted lifestyle common among the criminal classes.
No, I don’t think so.
It shows that with enough hormones on board many men will go for ‘any port in a storm’.
Gays will actively seek out their peculiar dock even when surrounded by and abundance of more suitable slips...
So you equate being gay as a means to survive and stay alive?
Not buying it.
It’s true but this will kill his chances.
He’s done. Save the money, get out of the race.
Between that and his gross ignorance of RKBA issues, he’s got fierce opposition from both ends.
RE: It shows that with enough hormones on board many men will go for ‘any port in a storm’.
How about women?
Love ‘em.
You?
So. That also applies to sailors on a ship or any group of men alone for long periods of time?
The fact there are more queers in prison is relevant to the fact that homosexuality is a mental disorder and is akin to other criminal tendencies.
Um.... no thanks.
H/A Agenda ping.
And ping to some comments suggesting men are naturally queer when grouped together for periods of time.
I wasn’t trying to equate it with survival. I’m only saying that in certain circumstances, people do things they wouldn’t do in ordinary circumstances. I don’t have the statistics but I would venture that most prisoners go back to being heterosexual upon release, just as most concentration camp survivors eschew moldy bread and rats in favor of more conventional fare.
The naval rules on sodomy were said to be more honored in the breach.
These days deployments are shorter and there’s more saltpeter in the chow...
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No really.. has a friend he worked LA County jail.. the jail code was as long as you were the “pitcher” you are not gay.. if you were the “catcher” you were gay...
So if you were (unjustly) imprisoned, you would stand a greater chance of turning queer?
May be true for you, but not me.
I repeat. The criminal mind and the perverted mind are linked in societal degeneracy.
What about infielders and outfielders? :)
Exactly. Compare ‘prison gay’ to ‘LUGs’. As soon as the environment enables a reversion to normal behavior, they walk away from homosexual encounters.
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