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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj
>> It could have been easily explained by having them say Admiral Marcus had his appearance (which should be as well known to everyone as Hitler’s is) changed so he wouldn’t be recognized (as a deleted scene or something explained why his daughter had a British accent). But no, even that simple solution was apparently too difficult for them. The “plot” was just a a couple very thin slices of bread to hold the action scenes together. Amazing that people got paid a lot of money to write <<

It's true that a brief throwaway line (that they were too lazy to add into the script once they cast Cumberbatch) would have explained why he looks completely different. However, even the plastic surgery explanation (which works because I'm assuming 23rd century plastic surgery is far more advanced than modern day) doesn't account for the personality difference.

Cumberbatch and Montalbaun were both willing to trample anyone who got in their way in order to preserve their crew, but otherwise they were completely different villains. Cumberbatch was supposed to be "Khan" from the Space Seed TV episode, and that Khan was exotic, suave, charming, and seductive. A key point in the episode was he convinced Enterprise crew members to defect and join his side, and seduced the ship's historian into becoming his lover.

Cumberbatch's "Khan" was just a cold icy psychopath/terrorist hellbent on revenge against Marcus. Basically the writers wanted to cash in on the name "Khan" without being faithful to the character or having a storyline that fit with his background. They even admitted they turned Harrison into "Khan" AFTER they had completed the story, and retroactively tried to make "Khan" fit into a story about a Starfleet officer turned terrorist.

If they were insistent on recycling a classic villain, they could have used one that actually fit such a storyline. If Cumberbatch had revealed his true identity as either Captain Garth of Izar or Dr. Tolian Soran, it would have fit the type of story and actor they went using (white, British accented psychopath who is "better than Kirk at everything" and hellbent on getting revenge against Starfleet in the mid 23rd century)

But they went for "Khan" simply because he was the best known Trek villain, which would sort of like casting Samuel L. Jackson to play an inner city Los Angeles gang leader codenamed "Eddie Smith" in a Bond movie and then revealing his true identity to be "Auric Goldfinger" after Bond captures him.

Epic fail.

183 posted on 02/28/2015 8:20:02 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; Impy

I knew the Faux Treks were an epic fail right out of the chute, especially from the scene where Kirk’s mother was on a starship going into labor (presumably, James T. Kirk’s older brother would’ve been present there as a toddler or upwards of 5 years old — and none of that would’ve occurred in real Trek, as it was revealed they didn’t put families on starships until TNG, which partly accounted for Picard’s level of discomfort early on at having children aboard his ship). Hence, Abrams changed the canon right from the start, nevermind the “altered universe” his defenders claim.

If I were to sit down and list all of the problems/inconsistencies/anachronisms and the like for those two films, I could probably fill a book. Better writing and some basic knowledge of Trek history could’ve improved the situation dramatically, but all Abrams wanted was effectively a shoot-em-up with lens flare and virtual child actors playing iconic grown-up characters whom inspired millions of people. I found none of these “reboots” to be inspiring in the least. They were poorly-drawn caricatures with poorly-chosen actors.

Heaven forbid they could’ve set the Faux Trek films say 100 years after TNG/Voyager/DS9 (in the early 25th century) with a new set of actors and characters aboard an Enterprise-H off exploring, say, the Andromeda Galaxy (encountering, for example, the Kelvans in their original form that only current special effects could portray). So much for that notion.


184 posted on 02/28/2015 9:04:37 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA
. They even admitted they turned Harrison into "Khan" AFTER they had completed the story

Totally lame.

sort of like casting Samuel L. Jackson to play an inner city Los Angeles gang leader codenamed "Eddie Smith" in a Bond movie and then revealing his true identity to be "Auric Goldfinger" after Bond captures him.

OMG Mega LOL!

185 posted on 02/28/2015 9:37:13 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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