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Why Some Americans Will Never Give Up Their Guns
Fiscal Times ^ | Feb 20, 2015 | Simon Hankinson

Posted on 02/22/2015 9:03:48 PM PST by upchuck

America is a relatively new country with few of the buried skeletons of older cultures, but if you spend much time overseas, there are still a few aspects that are tough to get across to the host country. One is race; another is guns.

On the last day of January, a toddler staying with his parents and sister in an Albuquerque, N.M. motel room reached into his mother’s purse, pulled out a loaded gun, and with one shot hit both his father and pregnant mother. At the tail end of 2014, a two-year-old boy shot his mother in a northern Idaho Walmart while shopping with his cousins to spend their Christmas money. Back in August of 2014, a nine-year-old girl accidentally shot the instructor who handed her an Uzi at a shooting range near Las Vegas.

These incidents are hard to explain to foreigners not only for how they happened, but for how they changed nothing.

In 1996, a deranged man with a gun killed 16 schoolchildren in Dunblane, Scotland. The reaction was public revulsion followed by further tightening of already strict laws on gun ownership in Britain.

The same year, a massacre by a man in Tasmania using multiple semi-automatic weapons killed 35 people. Australia reacted by banning several categories of weapons, a legislative feat which required concerted action by all its states as well as a one-time national program to buy back guns, funded by a temporary tax, which spent $AUS 350 million to purchase 643,000 firearms.

Whether the legal response in Britain and Australia lowered their annual toll of gun-related deaths is still debated, but theirs were already fractions of ours: According to figures from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime for 2012, Britain suffered 0.07 gunshot homicides per 100,000 and Australia 0.14, where the United States had 2.97. When you add in deaths by suicide and accident, the U.S. rate of death rises to 10 in 100,000 each year, yet the UK to only 0.25.

Citizens from countries with low rates of death involving firearms have a hard time understanding America’s acceptance of an annual toll of around 32,000, of which 11,000 are homicides and the rest suicides or accidents (and police shootings, for which accurate statistics are not compiled). Our public response to each disaster – Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Fort Hood, the Washington Navy Yard, Sandy Hook and so on – follows the same pattern: There is a wave of public revulsion, sympathy and anger.

Those in favor of some restrictions attempt to use the momentum to pass laws requiring background checks or limits on magazine size or the sale of assault weapons. Those who believe gun ownership should not be limited, while condemning the criminal act and sympathizing with the victims, keep quiet and wait out the wave of public anger, which each time dissipates without legislative result. There does not seem to be an act so egregious that it breaks this pattern — if the murder of 20 elementary schoolchildren in Sandy Hook didn’t, nothing will.

What foreigners should understand is that this is part of our culture, not a lack of progress toward some world norm. Americans own 88 guns per 100 people, but that doesn’t mean ownership is evenly spread. For many, especially in rural parts of the country, owning and using guns is just a completely integrated part of life, like using household appliances.

Unlike rural Afghans or Chechens, for whom weapons are also an important cultural accessory, here the family is included, with guns designed to appeal to female customers and even children (like the “My First Rifle” by Crickett that a 5-year-old boy used to shoot his cousin in April 2013). This is easily caricatured as a rednecks vs. urban elites ideological divide, but the truth is that for a significant percentage of intelligent, vocal and politically active Americans, guns are part of a lifestyle worth defending at high cost, and the positives of guns simply outweigh the risks.

For Veronica Rutledge, the mother in the Walmart shooting, one has to assume the pleasure of owning and carrying her handgun and the protection she felt it afforded against harassment, rape or other crime was worth the low, mitigated risk of it being used by the wrong person — in this case her own toddler.

This is a facet of America that visitors should be well aware of, along with the risk of occasional tragic results: On Oct. 17, 1992, Yoshihiro Hattori, a Japanese exchange student was looking for a Halloween party, knocked on the wrong door in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and was fatally shot by the owner, Rodney Peairs, who was acquitted of murder. In April 2014, German exchange student Diren Dede was shot dead by a homeowner in Missoula, Montana. This time, the homeowner was convicted of deliberate homicide, as he had apparently been lying in wait with intent. On Feb. 13, he was sentenced to 70 years in prison.

To those with strong beliefs in Second Amendment gun rights, the annual accidental deaths and homicides are tragic but not sufficient reason to change existing laws: They are caused by people and thus the solution lies in people, not hardware. The American gun divide is almost religious in nature; it is nearly impossible to convert someone from one side to another, and probably pointless to try. What we must do is find a way to live with two radically different philosophies side by side in the same country.

At this point, gun rights advocates have won the campaign over who can be armed and what with, so where people carry is the focus of debate: Should states and towns be allowed to determine whether citizens can be openly armed in Starbucks or the grocery aisle? Does the 10th Amendment ever trump the Second? The constitutionality of efforts to limit public gun-carrying in Washington, D.C., are currently before federal court. The issue is whether requiring a permit, for which a special need related to employment or protection must be shown, infringes the Second Amendment.

So far, the city has lost. The Virginia legislature is debating whether people should be allowed to drive around the state with loaded shotguns in the trunk. (Delegates might want to Google “road rage in South Africa” as background research.) They’ll probably approve the measure. As this issue plays out in each state and town, the only certainty is that there will continue to be thousands of shootings, mass or individual, accidental or on purpose, each year.

The one thing Europeans should not expect as a result of the New Mexico, Idaho or any American gun tragedy is that it will bridge this cultural divide and lead to legislative change.


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To: upchuck

No government will ever be able to take all of our guns. A significant number of them are buried in unmarked caches, vacuum sealed after being covered in cosmoline, along with ammunition.


21 posted on 02/22/2015 9:52:22 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: upchuck
according to Consumer Reports,

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2014/05/survive-your-hospital-stay/index.htm

Medical errors are linked to 440,000 deaths each year. Our new Ratings can help you find a safe hospital. Published: March 2014

22 posted on 02/22/2015 9:54:06 PM PST by Dogbert41 (All the days of my life were written in your book before there was one of them!)
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To: upchuck

Return later.


23 posted on 02/22/2015 9:58:49 PM PST by matthew fuller (If Obama was working for the other side, what exactly would he be doing differently?)
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To: upchuck

I do not give a rat’s ass what any foreigners think about my constitutional tights.


24 posted on 02/22/2015 10:06:01 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Regulator

I was just looking at violent crime rates in UK vs. USA. They found it a bit difficult as crimes are rated differently between the countries. BUT, they came up with a rate per 100,000 of something like 770 violent crimes in the UK vs. 460 in the USA. (Although the statistics show over 2,000 for the UK, but that includes things like inappropriate touching as a rape, whereas in the US it wouldn’t be.)

So, while gun crimes are less - other crimes are more.


25 posted on 02/22/2015 10:06:11 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: ozzymandus

I agree, except when they are the president.


26 posted on 02/22/2015 10:07:09 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: upchuck
Australia reacted by banning several categories of weapons, a legislative feat which required concerted action by all its states as well as a one-time national program to buy back guns, funded by a temporary tax, which spent $AUS 350 million to purchase 643,000 firearms.

Australian authorities expected 2.5 million firearms would be turned in.

It ain't just Americans not giving up their guns.

27 posted on 02/22/2015 10:12:17 PM PST by Drew68
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To: upchuck

“Some?” How about none?


28 posted on 02/22/2015 10:25:00 PM PST by Fungi (Evolution is piece by piece over billions of years. At what point did a precursor become a human?)
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To: entropy12
Right, which is why Europe has seen dictators come and go. An unarmed citizenry is easy to conquer and subdue.

Obama has come to the US as a dictator, and has not gone.

What good did our guns do us?

P.S. I am as pro-gun as they come.

29 posted on 02/22/2015 10:39:43 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Drew68

An acquaintance who had worked many years in a hardware/building supply store enlightened me to how the sales in certain commodities - plaster, PVC pipes, etc. - always rose whenever the government was in a new gun control frenzy. Coinky-dink? Maybe. But the our government didn’t get nearly the results it had hoped for, and this is Canada.


30 posted on 02/22/2015 10:40:38 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: upchuck

Because I’m an American.


31 posted on 02/22/2015 11:27:39 PM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: upchuck
When the citizens have the right to keep and bear arms there is no doubt there will be an increase in gun violence between citizens resulting in death. Some of these deaths are murder and some of them are in self defense.

All of history be it in the time of sticks and stone, sabers and lances, and firearms show that with absolute certainty if the populace does not have the right to bear sticks, stones, sabers, lances and firearms the king, sultan, emir, tyrant or leader of of nation will inflict massive death on its populace to retain power.

If you doubt my words ask the Jew of Germany in 1943, ask the Kulaks of Russia in 1917, as the Chinese that opposed Mao in 1948 (90 million Chinese), Ask 30% of the population of Cambodia in 1977, ask those that resisted Castor of Cuba in the 60s.

Do not waste your time. They are dead at the hands of the state. Most of the above were lined up in front of walls and shot. They were then pushed into ditches and covered up with earth by bulldozers. They were the lucky ones. Others meet fates that were much worse.

Give your guns up to the central government if you trust them. I DO NOT TRUST THEM.

I am of 66 years of age. I have shot weapons since my grandfather had to hold up the end of a rifle for me. My many weapons have never been used in an unlawful manner.

What is the problem with free men and women possessing weapons? !!!

32 posted on 02/22/2015 11:30:22 PM PST by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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To: cpdiii

I forgot to add,

“FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS” you can have it now.


33 posted on 02/22/2015 11:36:29 PM PST by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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To: upchuck

Because we aren’t cowards afraid of loud noises. In fact we like it.


34 posted on 02/22/2015 11:38:37 PM PST by vpintheak (Call them what they are - regressive control-freaks)
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To: ozzymandus

“I do not give a rat’s ass what any foreigners think about my constitutional tights.”

Tights? Yes, the constitution DOES give you the right to run around in tights if you want... Lol

(Sorry, couldn’t resist we much!)


35 posted on 02/23/2015 12:30:35 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: Deagle
Why no American will give up their gun!

Yup, you beat me to it.

36 posted on 02/23/2015 12:33:18 AM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Deagle

I agree. Or I would prefer : Why Americans should roll back gun control laws in the books and buy more guns.

This title is too defensive.


37 posted on 02/23/2015 12:41:56 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: upchuck
"Whether the legal response in Britain and Australia lowered their annual toll of gun-related deaths is still debated..."

If the new gun laws had lowered gun related deaths this guy would be presenting the data. If the question is "still debated", it means the laws haven't changed a thing except taken guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. The criminals still have guns.

38 posted on 02/23/2015 3:19:42 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Save Western Civilization. Embrace the new Crusades.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

How about we don’t give up anything at all.


39 posted on 02/23/2015 3:47:28 AM PST by Clean_Sweep
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To: EagleUSA
Exactly. The chief reason (but not the only reason) we have the second amendment is that the Founding Fathers understood the dangers of having all power in the hands of a central government. Having something to resist an all-powerful, tyrannical government is why we, the common citizens, have the right to own firearms.

Foreigners and liberals (often the same thing) simply can't understand that concept. They simply can't believe their own, wonderful government would want to tyrannize them. Until the day happens, and their gov. does tyrannize them.

40 posted on 02/23/2015 3:59:21 AM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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