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Since 9/11, The U.S. Has Been Involved In More Than 5 Wars … And They’ve All Been Disasters
Zero Hedge ^ | Feb. 20, 2015 | "George Washington"

Posted on 02/22/2015 7:05:35 AM PST by Leaning Right

Below, we demonstrate that the U.S. keeps “losing” war after war.

There are 3 potential reasons this might be happening:

•Is this chaos an intentional way to implement regime change and grab resources?

•Or is this a sign of the decline of the American empire … and we just can’t win a war anymore?

•Or do those in charge just not really give a damn about winning … and are they just focusing on one short-term goal after another?

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The wars referred to in the title of the article: Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine, and Yemen.
1 posted on 02/22/2015 7:05:35 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

the results change when you change sides in the middle


2 posted on 02/22/2015 7:11:31 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Leaning Right

And you can add on Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Lebanon.


3 posted on 02/22/2015 7:12:34 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Leaning Right

When your main objective becomes not hurting someone’s feelings...


4 posted on 02/22/2015 7:13:55 AM PST by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: Leaning Right

The military is very good at breaking things and killing bad guys. When left to those tasks we never lose. It’s when we try to be something else it falls apart. We should stick to just breaking things and killing bad guys.


5 posted on 02/22/2015 7:15:20 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Leaning Right

Perhaps it’s because we shouldn’t have been fighting those six wars. We’re also losing the one we’re not fighting (indeed, enabling) which is stopping and reversing the invasion of the US.


6 posted on 02/22/2015 7:15:37 AM PST by grania
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To: Leaning Right

The military is supposed to kill people and destroy infrastructure. Use the military to utterly destroy the enemy and his stuff, or stay home. Any attempt to win hearts and minds, or build nations will fail.


7 posted on 02/22/2015 7:17:44 AM PST by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Leaning Right

The answer is as simple as the nose on your face. Ever since the war we won, WW2, the politicians have changed how a “WAR” should be fought. We fought and won WW2, by killing our enemies any where and every where we found them. During WW2, our enemies had no compunction in killing our civilians, and we returned the favor by killing as many of their civilians. When we killed more of their civilians, than they did of ours, they surrendered. Now, these politicians have made it impossible for our soldiers to do their jobs properly, by making all kinds of very stupid rules on how we must fight our enemies. In the mean time, our enemies are fighting the war the same way we won WW2. Our enemies of today don’t seem to want to fight this war in a civilized manner.


8 posted on 02/22/2015 7:19:10 AM PST by gingerbread
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To: Leaning Right

The answer is as simple as the nose on your face. Ever since the war we won, WW2, the politicians have changed how a “WAR” should be fought. We fought and won WW2, by killing our enemies any where and every where we found them. During WW2, our enemies had no compunction in killing our civilians, and we returned the favor by killing as many of their civilians. When we killed more of their civilians, than they did of ours, they surrendered. Now, these politicians have made it impossible for our soldiers to do their jobs properly, by making all kinds of very stupid rules on how we must fight our enemies. In the mean time, our enemies are fighting the war the same way we won WW2. Our enemies of today don’t seem to want to fight this war in a civilized manner.


9 posted on 02/22/2015 7:19:29 AM PST by gingerbread
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To: Leaning Right
I would argue that since World War II we have not been involved in a single war, as defined by the term in which you fight to win. In Korea, we sought to reestablish a boundary and evict the NKs. In Vietnam, we sought to evict the NVs. In Grenada we sought to evict the Cubans. In Gulf War we sought to evict the Iraqis. In Afghanistan we sought to evict the Taliban. In Iraq II we sought to evict Saddam.

Despite the fact that none of these were fought with the intention of completely destroying or rendering our enemy unable to ever fight again, we are 5-1.

The problem is that the objectives with which we went into these actions did not constitute war as traditionally understood, therefore no "winning a war" was possible.

Had we actually fought ANY of these six as a war---with the exception of Korea---we would have utterly annihilated the enemy. But this brings with it problems. In Afghanistan and Iraq, especially, there was no real possiility of a post-WW II type "rebuilding" of a democratic, stable society because neither had ever experienced western style rights, liberties, and government. Contrary to many here, I don't think that development of such concepts was impossible there, only that it would take a helluva long time.

Korea was a different matter. The US military, absent atomic bombs, could not "defeat" the Chicoms on the mainland. We would have either pulled out altogether, or started a nuke war. I think Truman was extremely wise in his delicate balancing act in Korea.

But all this is beside the point, which is the proper approach to a true war is to win, and by winning you mean eliminating the emeny's ability AND WILL to resist. We haven't sought to do that anywhere, so it's hard to claim we have failed in not doing something we didn't attempt.

10 posted on 02/22/2015 7:19:50 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Leaning Right
No, the Bush years wars were not disastrous. Democrats and media have been treasonous from within and destroyed all gained. Huge difference. The military did their job brilliantly, democrat politicians and their propagandist media betrayed that win and future positioning to stop islam in its place. They destroyed all gained and our future ability to deal with islam.

Obama's wars have been a huge disaster with incredibly bad lasting consequences for the world. Democrats once again have worked from within to destroy America and done a brilliant job of it.

11 posted on 02/22/2015 7:27:30 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron

Obama now is allowing the enemy to come to our lands in huge numbers on top of all he has destroyed in the Middle East for us. It is call invasion.


12 posted on 02/22/2015 7:29:08 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Leaning Right

It used to be we fought until one side surrendered or an armistice is called.

I guess the point I am making is that when you are fighting an “idea” it is not possible to negotiate.

The ONLY way to stop this process is to get medieval on them. And with our current leadership, that is simply not going to happen.


13 posted on 02/22/2015 7:29:17 AM PST by Vermont Lt (When you are inclined to to buy storage boxes, but contractor bags instead.)
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To: Leaning Right

I think the use of the word “disasters” implies that absolutely nothing good came out of any of it and I disagree with that assertion.


14 posted on 02/22/2015 7:38:56 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Leaning Right

The U.S. Has Been Involved In More Than 5 Wars

WRONG, Those were all United Nations Peacekeeping missions, we have not “Officially” been at “WAR” since WWII.


15 posted on 02/22/2015 7:44:25 AM PST by eyeamok
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Those were all United Nations Peacekeeping missions, we have not “Officially” been at “WAR” since WWII.

Yep. And that could be part of the problem. Perhaps if we are not sufficiently threatened to declare war, we shouldn't get boots-on-the-ground involved at all.

IMHO, Bush II should have declared war against the Taliban right after 9/11. He should have asked for an actual war resolution, not some vague authorization to use force. We were sufficiently threatened.

But were we also that sufficiently threatened by Saddam? I don't think so.

16 posted on 02/22/2015 7:52:40 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

Perhaps we should try avoiding wars altogether.


17 posted on 02/22/2015 7:54:09 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior

“Or do those in charge just not really give a damn about winning … and are they just focusing on one short-term goal after another?”

As long as we have liberals in government and a media that supports leftist ideology we will never win a war.


18 posted on 02/22/2015 8:00:55 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Islam is the military wing of the Communist party.)
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To: Lady Heron

The Bush years were disastrous in many ways. Bush was the first to push for home ownership for everybody (later tried to put all the blame on Democrats), Bush proclaimed that Islam was a great religion, put Koran in the White House, got us involved in futile occupations which soured the people on Republicans and gave us Obama. So, yes, Bush = disaster.

Watch the Frontline report on how many bonehead mistakes were made in Iraq and it will make you furious. Obama doubled down on the insanity and now we have total chaos.

My personal conspiracy theory is that the Bush family was sent by Democrats to destroy the Republican Party from within.


19 posted on 02/22/2015 8:01:21 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Great book ... The Transformation of War by Martin van Creveld


20 posted on 02/22/2015 8:02:08 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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