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Lesbian Couple Says Michigan Doctor Refused To Treat Their Baby
TPM Livewire ^ | February 19, 2015 | Tracy Walsh

Posted on 02/21/2015 6:59:22 PM PST by daniel1212

Two Michigan parents said that a local doctor recently refused to see their six-day-old child because they are lesbians, the Detroit Free Press reported Wednesday...

Jami and Krista Contreras said they made an appointment with pediatrician Vesna Roi at the advice of their midwife, according to television station WJBK. But when they brought their daughter for an appointment with the pediatrician, they said they were met by another doctor who told them that Roi would not treat a baby with two mothers, according to the Free Press.

Roi sent a letter of apology to the parents, later acquired by the Free Press, in which she explained: "After much prayer following your prenatal, I felt that I would not be able to develop the personal patient-doctor relationship that I normally do with my patients." She added, "Please know that I believe God gives us free choice and I would never judge anyone based on what they do with that free choice."

Although the incident happened in late 2014, the couple only recently decided to speak about it, according to the Free Press.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: civilrights; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; michigan; sodomy
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To: Ken H

See 32 and 39


41 posted on 02/21/2015 7:53:47 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
She (the doctor) actually does have that right in Michigan.

If she had refused to treat in an emergency it would have been another story but the way it went down she was within her rights.

42 posted on 02/21/2015 7:55:23 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Yeah... a lot of the discussion here is not whether she is within legal rights, but whether it was right. The devil is in the details.


43 posted on 02/21/2015 7:56:38 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: daniel1212

“...made an appointment with pediatrician Vesna Ro”

Had to look up Vesna.

Vesna (myth) -
The vesna or vesnas were mythological female characters associated with youth and springtime in early Slavic mythology, particularly within Croatia,[1] Serbia and Slovenia. Along with her male companion Vesnik, she was associated with rituals conducted in rural areas during springtime.[2] In the nineteenth century, Russian peasants celebrated the return of spring on March 1 by going out to the fields, carrying a clay figure of a lark on a pivot which had been decorated with flowers. They sang songs naming the spring season Vesna.[3] The word “vesna” is still the poetic word for “spring” in the Slovene language.[2] as well as Czech and Slovak. Also, vesna is a Russian word for spring. The month February is sometimes named vesnar in Slovene language.[2]

In Slovene mythology, the beautiful women called “vesnas” lived in palaces atop mountains where they discussed the fate of crops and of human inhabitants. A magical circle around their palaces kept them from leaving the mountain top except during the month of February, when they would travel in wooden carts down to the valley below. Only certain people were capable of hearing them singing. People who snuck up to their mountain palaces might learn their fates, but risked an unpleasant end if they were caught by the vesnas.[2]

The vesna was featured on a Slovenian postage stamp in 2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna

Vesna (name) -
Vesna is a popular South Slavic female name derived from the name of Vesna, an ancient Slavic goddess of spring. It means “spring” in some Slavic languages. It is in use in Croatia, Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro and Slovenia, where it was the fourth most popular name for baby girls born in 2006.[1] It is also given in Australia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_%28name%29

The doctor is probably an Orthodox Christian or an old school Catholic that might have immigrated here.


44 posted on 02/21/2015 7:57:57 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
They were seen by another doctor. Same office. Service was provided.

So they did. That being the case, I now say the doctor did not act unethically.

45 posted on 02/21/2015 7:58:26 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I agree. One is either a healer or not.


46 posted on 02/21/2015 7:59:14 PM PST by onedoug
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It was right.

I have a small business and have turned down jobs where I would not have felt right working with certain people.

I am not denying them the last drop of water on earth I am just not doing business with them. If they throw a hissy it is confirmation that I was right not to do business with them.

47 posted on 02/21/2015 7:59:51 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: daniel1212

See 45:)


48 posted on 02/21/2015 7:59:58 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

She might not have felt the most confident in dealing with such a situation.


49 posted on 02/21/2015 8:00:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

It matters to various degrees.

This did not rise to the level of outrage of the baker asked to inscribe a cake to a “gay marriage.”


50 posted on 02/21/2015 8:01:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Ken H
We're cool then.
51 posted on 02/21/2015 8:02:09 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"It's not the child's fault that his/her “parents” are perverts.The child's entitled to any care he/she needs."

My initial reaction was like yours, but then I thought it through a bit further. First of all, the child was not sick, nor was this an emergency. The child's appointment was honored on the same day at the same as it was originally scheduled, the only difference being that a different doctor provided the service. The child was NOT put in jeopardy at any point. This is NOT about "punishing the child."

The second point is that the doctor/patient relationship has an almost sacred character, and that it is important for both doctors and patients when - in a relationship that is ongoing, as would be a relationship between a pediatrician and the child's parents - that they share the same basic values, the same moral understandings, and even a common worldview. Doctors and their clients must be on the same page on these things, or they resist serious conflicts down the road.

It is COMMON for patients to reject doctors because "he doesn't understand me" or "I don't trust his judgment" or "he doesn't believe in naturopathy" or "he is condescending" or "I don't want a woman giving me a prostate exam." All sorts of things! And I am sure doctors sometimes encourage patients to find a doctor who is more in tune with their own ideas about what constitutes proper medicine.

In this case, the doctor was doing the parents a favor in steering them towards a doctor with whom they would be more likely to have a harmonious relationship. The child did NOT suffer because of this.
52 posted on 02/21/2015 8:02:42 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: silverleaf

That is an excellent point.

It wouldn’t be an issue (if it truly is) is the doctor were Muslim.


53 posted on 02/21/2015 8:04:53 PM PST by berdie
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To: Steve_Seattle

The elephant in the room really is the gay lobby, who is in effect saying “Love us or we will bust your noses.”


54 posted on 02/21/2015 8:05:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: daniel1212
Then you have little experience with conflict of conscience, or sympathy for it.

It's not the child's fault.He/she has done nothing wrong.Yes,God is surely *very* displeased with the lives that the "parents" have chosen but wouldn't have been *at all* displeased with the child.Are there any other innocent children that you feel God would want to see denied medical care?

Just curious.

55 posted on 02/21/2015 8:06:07 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama;America's First "Third World" President)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It should not matter. That is my point.

I can choose to do business only with left handed redheads with green eyes if I wish. Or not do business with left handed redheads with green eyes if I wish.

There might be exceptions for life or death situations but other then that my right to choose who I do business with should be inviolable.

56 posted on 02/21/2015 8:07:20 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The picture here is more complex. The doctor asked another doctor in the same office to see the child instead.

Perhaps as Jack H. surmised, the woman was a doctor with an Old World manner who would have lovingly embraced normal parents but was so put off by this surprise situation that she felt she could not practice effectively. There are always questions of capability to be had.

We really need to be hating the devils that are calling the “gay lobby” to bully so.


57 posted on 02/21/2015 8:10:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Once more you fall on your statement of a civil right.

I speak of rightness on a deeper level. Perhaps by access, the more conscientious physician could do more good than one who was more laissez-faire about homosexuality.

On the other hand as I have also surmised, the doctor could have felt inadequate.

The kind of jobs you do are not on the level of the practice of medicine. They just aren’t.


58 posted on 02/21/2015 8:11:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You may have a background in academic medicine, but you do not seem to understand everyday medicine any better than a layman. I remember a few years ago when I was looking for a new doctor, it was VERY important to me to find one with whom I had common ground in basic worldview and medical ethics. That is really what this is about, it is NOT about denying service to a child or “punishing” a child; the child was treated on schedule by a presumably competent physician, one who was undoubtedly a better match for these parents than the Christian doctor would have been.


59 posted on 02/21/2015 8:15:07 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: berdie

Yup. You saved me some typing...


60 posted on 02/21/2015 8:20:00 PM PST by piytar (If you don't know what the doctrines of taqiyya and abrogation are, you are a fool!)
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