So, you don't believe in protecting our rights?
Far fewer than 50% of Americans exercise their right to keep and bear arms, do you think we should stop defending that? Or are you just employing the typical libertarian tactic of allowing the left to get everything they want through inaction?
Factor in divorce court costs, costs to the system in place, emotional damage, financial damage, and what you’ve got is a social and legal albatross.
NOBODY is required to get married. The same can be said about any business venture, do you oppose them?
If my fellow conservatives want to get up in arms to defend a ruined castle with no walls, go right ahead, but I consider it a waste of time.
Conservatives ARE ready to defend our rights, you don't understand that because YOU ARE NOT A CONSERVATIVE.
If homosexuals want to be civilly unioned, then so be it
So you are in favor of it...
nd may God help them because I guarantee the divorce statistics will be the same for them once it becomes commonplace - probably higher.
You really don't get it do you?
I will defend any church’s right to refuse to marry a same sex couple, but I will also defend the legal right of any church that wishes to do so, however unchristian it may be.
How libertarian of you.
Defending the American family? Look, that institution has been holding on by a very thin thread for a number of different reasons for decades now - well before this homo broohahah started - mainly because of failed marriages and unwed, single mothers.
And your solution seems to be abandoning it altogether which is EXACTLY what the left wants.
Let people do what they’re going to do and let God judge them. It’s not our place to do so.
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. That's like say let people murder if they want and God can be the judge.
I realize you are new here, but you are clearly in the wrong forum.
And I'd add that this is a double attack, in that it is more than about the substance, but about the PROCESS.
If single judges wield the unchecked power to simple wave their wands and nullify laws, that is a terrifying prospect. A bare minority of the Supreme Court was held back from imposing requirements on a private organization (Boy Scouts) which wanted to define qualifications for membership. One more Marxist on the Court would have obliterated freedom. Who says a cadre of like minded Leftists, given critical mass, wouldn't impose same-sex "marriage" on every church?
Not only that, but it’s none of my business unless freedom of religion is infringed upon.
Not sure where the sand is Axeo has had his head in, but even a passing knowledge of current event will tell us that bakers across the country have had their religous freedoms trashed by queer friendly laws and court decisions. And its only going to get worse. Can you imagine a time when a minister or priest refuses to perform a queer marriage ceremony and they lose their license as a result?
I can.
I make some general statements about my beliefs and you attack me - which leads me to believe that you have no leg to stand on.
First off - don’t put words in my mouth and don’t tell me what forum I should or shouldn’t be on just because I happen to think that you’re jousting windmills. If the mods want to kick me off for expressing my thoughts - which ARE conservative, then let it be so. Then you can be a forum of sheeple who think, talk, and act alike. How liberal of you.
Also - what rights are we defending? The right to marriage? Freedom of religion? You already have the right to get married. You have the right to get married in a church if the church allows it. If a homosexual gets married in a different church or even your church, is that infringing on your rights? Do you not have the right to leave that congregation? AS I WOULD?
As I mentioned, I would defend any church’s right to deny marrying a same-sex couple and I would fight vigorously to defend the right of that church to do so if the government steps in and tries to force denominations to do so like in HOUSTON.
You call me a libertarian. Maybe. In some ways I am. But if you think being a conservative is being a straight down the line Republican then I think YOU’RE on the wrong forum. If I’m wrong, then I will absolutely leave today and never come back or post again. As usual, I think for myself, make my own decisions, and don’t follow the herd unless the herd is going to the right pasture.
If I could see some sort of severe, criminal, tangible cost to our country from gay marriage, then I would say that we need to do something - but there’s no proof of that. Even if there was some sort of tangible social cost, would it be worse than the social cost heterosexual marriage already imposes on our society?
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN DIVORCED? Do you have any idea what it does to a family? How much it costs society in every sense of the word? Do you know how absolutely horrific an experience it is? It wouldn’t be so bad, but the courts have nosed their way so far into our personal lives that to get divorced is absolutely devastating in every way you can imagine. Even if you don’t believe in divorce, and the other person does, you’re screwed.
Here’s an idea there Chucky, why don’t we focus on getting the courts and the government out of our personal family lives (and stop with their little social engineering experiments through taxation loopholes for married couples and children) and people might not get divorced quite so often. THAT’S CONSERVATIVE.
Here’s what I think, slick. You don’t want small government. You want government that imposes your agenda and your belief system. What’s the difference between you and goofball up in NYC who bans super sized soft drinks and smoking. They’re both bad for your health, aren’t they? You drink enough of those and smoke enough cigarettes and you’ll probably kill yourself eventually and prematurely before God planned it. That’s suicide - that’s a sin. So let’s regulate it because God considers suicide a sin.
When does it stop? Where is the line between liberal and conservative? I’ll tell you where - the line starts with the liberty of the people and ends there - period. Government intervention is a sword wielded only in the most dire of circumstances. Otherwise - it’s just we the people doing our thing.
Small, unobtrusive government doesn’t care who gets married to whom. It doesn’t care if you want to kill yourself with tobacco. It lets the people decide for themselves what they want to do unless it disrupts the general welfare.
I’m not in favor of civil unions, I just don’t see how it effects me one way or the other except that those people will be paying fewer taxes because of how our tax system works - which means guys like me will probably have to pick up the slack for married (gay or otherwise) people like you? unless we get spending under control.
Why don’t you worry about that instead of making me pay higher taxes in order to support your brood and your “let’s all get married like Ozzie and Harriet” philosophy? Like those tax breaks do you? Nice aren’t they?
See, I don’t get those because I’m divorced and my child is 19. Instead, I have to pay a higher rate with no deductions while people all over this country can have 3,4,5 kids and get money for it.
Why aren’t you fighting that fight instead of this one?
Your faith? Here’s a lesson in faith - have faith God will judge these people. Equating gay marriage with MURDER is quite possibly the most apples and oranges comparison I have ever heard.
“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
“You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
“You shall not murder.
“You shall not commit adultery.
“You shall not steal.
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
Let’s see: Murder - check. Stealing - check. Adultery - check. Homosexual marriage - can’t find that one.
Is it mentioned elsewhere in the scriptures - sure. I believe it’s a sin, but you’re sure as s**t cherry picking what you are fighting against and for. Where’s your righteous indignation against RAMPANT adultery in this country? Where are the laws there? Is that okay now? Is that worse or better than gay marriage? Because the way I was brought up the Ten Commandments are THE primary laws of GOD and you seem to be ignoring a whole bunch of them in favor of something that seems to rile you up.
So I’ll tell you what. If you want to regulate who can and can’t get married, then you need to start incarcerating people for adultery. Because it’s a right there in your big ole dumb face 10 commandment. There needs to be a national movement against adultery. The courts need to start granting 100% rights to the cheated upon spouse. If one spouse cheats on another, the non-offending spouse gets all assets, custody, etc. automatically no exceptions. Not only that, but the spouse needs to be jailed and lose all the rights to ever marry again.
Think that would work?
bump
That poster reminds me of some others who are now gone.