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To: wagglebee; AxeofCrom
Excellent commentary. One of the more glaring and incorrect statements Axeo made that you didn't pick apart is...

Not only that, but it’s none of my business unless freedom of religion is infringed upon.

Not sure where the sand is Axeo has had his head in, but even a passing knowledge of current event will tell us that bakers across the country have had their religous freedoms trashed by queer friendly laws and court decisions. And its only going to get worse. Can you imagine a time when a minister or priest refuses to perform a queer marriage ceremony and they lose their license as a result?

I can.

18 posted on 02/18/2015 7:50:40 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (See Ya On The Road; Al Baby's Mom!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

We need to defend those bakers rights to refuse to make wedding cakes. No head in sand here, sir. STOP ASSUMING YOU KNOW WHAT I KNOW. You do not know me, and I do not assume to know you.

I’m well aware of the incidents with wedding planners, bakers, etc., and it enrages me.

But I won’t take away someone else’s liberty to defend another’s unless they have harmed said person in a profound way. There’s a difference.

Liberty is forfeit when an individuals actions takes away the liberty of another. So in the case of the wedding cake bakers, if we remove their ability to conduct their business as they like, we risk having to forfeit the rights of those filing suit against them (ACLU and homosexuals on a crusade - a pox on their heads and others).

So our courts must defend the rights of the bakers as well the rights of the homosexuals who want to have their civil unions and marry in the churches that will allow it.

Quite simply, the bakers can say “no,” and the churches can say “no,” and the homosexuals can get married in their back yard by whomever will have them and they can bake their own damn cakes. They can make their choices and we can make ours. It’s just that simple.

I will defend liberty where it is threatened. I won’t attack an entire misguided community and take away their rights, however.

Here’s how conservative I am. I wholeheartedly disagree with Lincoln’s decision to preserve the union when half the nation had a fundamentally different belief system and wanted to pursue it on their own and in peace. Lincoln was wrong.

Slavery is also wrong, as it deprives men of their god given liberty, but taking away the liberty of an entire culture to defend the liberty of others is a crime in and of itself.

I believe in liberty so profoundly that I know that it will triumph no matter what we do. Eventually the slaves would have freed themselves and killed their masters. Eventually the south would have had to abandon that entire way of life and economy because it deprived so many of their rights and because it competed poorly against a more free market, free labor driven economy right north of them. History has proven me right over and over again. Russia, France, England - it will happen in China sooner rather than later, and it will happen wherever humans are not free to make their own decisions and live their own lives.

The government shouldn’t sanction, forbid, condone, or support any kind of marriage in any way. It’s none of the U.S. Government’s business, it’s none of the state’s business.

You also didn’t read my post - I already said I would defend churches who are forced by the government to conduct gay marriages.


34 posted on 02/18/2015 9:20:46 AM PST by AxeofCrom
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