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To: FredZarguna

I am absolutely for proven vaccinations with a modified schedule. I do not believe the government should force a vaccine on me or my family with no long term studies of complications. What if the vaccine has horrible long term effects not realized until years in the future? Do I get to sue the government? That is why I am against the varicella vaccine. No one knows how long it lasts, no one knows if it prevents shingles.
Quarantine does not affect my health. The only side effect is boredom from being forced to stay home
Giving a med with no follow up on long term results can also be defined as abuse by the government. Look at the Gardisal vaccine- lots of young girls had serious side effects from an unproven vaccine.
If you think the judiciary is going to help- look at Roberts and the Obamacare ruling. Clearly unconstitutional, but Roberts voted for Obamacare.


305 posted on 02/07/2015 12:30:26 PM PST by kaila
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To: kaila
with no long term studies of complications.

All vaccines are tested.

That is why I am against the varicella vaccine. No one knows how long it lasts, no one knows if it prevents shingles.

The first of these statements is a claim that the perfect should be the enemy of the good. The truth is, no vaccine is 100% effective, and as a matter of fact there are rare cases in the medical literature where people who have actually had chickenpox get it again.

What you are making is not an argument against varicella vaccine, but an argument against any vaccine, because none are perfect. Well, sorry, but I think vaccinating my kids against polio, or having a vaccination against smallpox myself, was a sound decision.

The second is objectively false. We do know that if you have immunity from varicella you will not get shingles.

Quarantine does not affect my health. The only side effect is boredom from being forced to stay home

You're missing the point, probably because you're determined to. The government is depriving you of life, liberty or property when you're quarantined. It's telling you what you may or may not do with your body. So you accept that authority in some cases, but think everything else is a slippery slope.

In that case, I will accede to your reasoning: as long as you agree to be quarantined for life, you may forego immunizations.

Look at the Gardisal vaccine- lots of young girls had serious side effects from an unproven vaccine.

If by "lots" you mean "a few."

The manufacturer makes information publicly available about the side effects of that vaccine. The manufacturer very clearly says that for certain patients that vaccine is contraindicated. I'm opposed to high schools participating in vaccination programs. I'm opposed to Rite Aid or Sam's Club administering vaccines. I'm opposed to vaccines being given by PA's or nurse practitioners, unless an actual MD has reviewed the patient's medical history -- especially allergies -- first.

That said, Gardasil is extremely effective, the side effects are rare, and it is going to save the lives of 100's of thousands of women. Since there is no history of celibate females getting cervical cancer [we actually learned of the link between HPV and cervical cancer through studies of Catholic nuns] since there is no evidence that you can get cervical cancer except as a result of venereal disease, I would say participation in that program should be voluntary as long as young women understand that they shouldn't be having sex before marriage, and if they do, there are significant risks, not the greatest of which is eventual cervical cancer.

However, most diseases DON'T fall into that category.

307 posted on 02/07/2015 1:02:56 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: kaila
If you think the judiciary is going to help- look at Roberts and the Obamacare ruling.

Judges and juries make awards in medical cases every day. Lest you forget, Robert's opinion in the 0bamacare ruling, written for the majority, found parts of 0bamacare Unconstitutional. It found only the individual mandate, viewed as a tax, to be Constitutional.

Challenges to 0bamacare in Federal Court are not over and will be going on for years.

Finally, I think you missed the most significant aspect of the whole 0bamacare fiasco: The electorate put in place a pResident and two Houses of Congress that passed and signed 0-care. As I said: we are protected from slippery slopes by our institutions, but most importantly by the vigilance of the polity. In the case of 0-care we, The People, failed, plain and simply.

308 posted on 02/07/2015 1:10:58 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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